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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2012 at 22:27
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My favorite female comedian is Ellen DeGeneres.  She is hilarious.  However, it kind of annoys me that she takes her homosexuality on her show.  It puts me off. 


Why would that "put you off"? Admittedly, I have only seen excerpts of her TV show, but I didn't think she was as "flamboyant" as other gay celebrities. That is part of who she is. To tell her to keep her homosexuality off her show is basically asking her to get back in the closet! Is she never to mention her lovelife at all?

I love the straight friends and family in my life, but I would never ask them to check their heterosexuality at the door.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2012 at 22:29
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Well I'm done making serious threads forever. Dean, feel free to close this one if the desire strikes you. I'm out.


Don't close this thread! Some of us are still arguing in here! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 03:01
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Oh dear, this is going to end in tears Disapprove



Great album, terrible impossible to link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It%27ll_End_in_Tears 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 03:24
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Well I'm done making serious threads forever. Dean, feel free to close this one if the desire strikes you. I'm out.
I think the real problem is it really difficult to answer the question because it is near impossible to tell the sexual preference of any artist from their music or lyric, for example you cannot "get" Phideaux's sexual preference from listening to Snowtorch or Doomsday Afternoon. We tend to interpret music and lyric from our own perspective and predelictions or we imagine them singing to us (in the example of a hetro man or lesbian listening to a female singer). Sometimes even knowing that the singer is gay does not change our interpretation while other times it can, for example knowing that Dogman by King's X is about someone questioning their belief in god is one level of interpretation that changes again when you discover that Doug Pinnick was also coming to terms with his sexuality (as he said in a later interview, he was a gay man and homophobic at the same time because of his christianity).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 04:21
When I hear someone who is homophobic I always think they are homo and overcompensating. Particularly when it comes to politicians or people who make a big deal about their religion.  It's no surprise when they caught engaging secretly in what they openly condemn.

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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 16:14
Originally posted by catfood03 catfood03 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My favorite female comedian is Ellen DeGeneres.  She is hilarious.  However, it kind of annoys me that she takes her homosexuality on her show.  It puts me off. 


Why would that "put you off"? Admittedly, I have only seen excerpts of her TV show, but I didn't think she was as "flamboyant" as other gay celebrities. That is part of who she is. To tell her to keep her homosexuality off her show is basically asking her to get back in the closet! Is she never to mention her lovelife at all?

I love the straight friends and family in my life, but I would never ask them to check their heterosexuality at the door.




Again, I worded that poorly.  Unhappy

What I meant was when Ellen turns her show into a political / social forum.  It's a downer to go from laughter and dancing and then, "Let's talk about the Rutgers situation."

For an analogy, it would be like going to a Neal Morse concert where he preaches an actual sermon instead of playing songs for the whole show.

I hope that clarifies what I meant, and I'm sorry for not being clear at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 16:31
Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Jonsi is gay? :D

Seems obvious now, and he definitely does have a unique style worth mentioning, both as a solo artist and with Sigur Ros.

Yep, it has even been confirmed for years on their website's FAQ section. He's also blind in one eye, I think that was mentioned in the same sentence.

This one here is an album made by Jónsi and his boyfriend Alex Somers, I didn't read the entire thread so perhaps it had been mentioned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riceboy_Sleeps
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 16:34
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Certainly whom I have sex with is no one's business. 
I think that Tasha might have a thing or two to say about this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 16:37
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Certainly whom I have sex with is no one's business. 
I think that Tasha might have a thing or two to say about this.


I thought about editing my post to mention that...Embarrassed
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 16:45
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Certainly whom I have sex with is no one's business. 
I think that Tasha might have a thing or two to say about this.


I thought about editing my post to mention that...Embarrassed
Sure you did.  We know all about you rock stars and your sexual appetites. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 16:48
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Certainly whom I have sex with is no one's business. 
I think that Tasha might have a thing or two to say about this.


I thought about editing my post to mention that...Embarrassed
Sure you did.  We know all about you rock stars and your sexual appetites. 


Oh yeah baby.  Every once in a while I get to miss Jeopardy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 16:58
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Certainly whom I have sex with is no one's business. 
I think that Tasha might have a thing or two to say about this.


I thought about editing my post to mention that...Embarrassed
Sure you did.  We know all about you rock stars and your sexual appetites. 


Oh yeah baby.  Every once in a while I get to miss Jeopardy.
I believe that even Trebek would LIKE this post.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 19:04
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by catfood03 catfood03 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My favorite female comedian is Ellen DeGeneres.  She is hilarious.  However, it kind of annoys me that she takes her homosexuality on her show.  It puts me off. 


Why would that "put you off"? Admittedly, I have only seen excerpts of her TV show, but I didn't think she was as "flamboyant" as other gay celebrities. That is part of who she is. To tell her to keep her homosexuality off her show is basically asking her to get back in the closet! Is she never to mention her lovelife at all?

I love the straight friends and family in my life, but I would never ask them to check their heterosexuality at the door.




Again, I worded that poorly.  Unhappy

What I meant was when Ellen turns her show into a political / social forum.  It's a downer to go from laughter and dancing and then, "Let's talk about the Rutgers situation."

For an analogy, it would be like going to a Neal Morse concert where he preaches an actual sermon instead of playing songs for the whole show.

I hope that clarifies what I meant, and I'm sorry for not being clear at all.


Ok, understood. Its her show to does as she wishes, even if she wants to talk about "heavy" stuff.

Personally, I'd be more annoyed if I saw her try and tiptoe around the topic of her gayness.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 19:07
Originally posted by catfood03 catfood03 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by catfood03 catfood03 wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

My favorite female comedian is Ellen DeGeneres.  She is hilarious.  However, it kind of annoys me that she takes her homosexuality on her show.  It puts me off. 


Why would that "put you off"? Admittedly, I have only seen excerpts of her TV show, but I didn't think she was as "flamboyant" as other gay celebrities. That is part of who she is. To tell her to keep her homosexuality off her show is basically asking her to get back in the closet! Is she never to mention her lovelife at all?

I love the straight friends and family in my life, but I would never ask them to check their heterosexuality at the door.




Again, I worded that poorly.  Unhappy

What I meant was when Ellen turns her show into a political / social forum.  It's a downer to go from laughter and dancing and then, "Let's talk about the Rutgers situation."

For an analogy, it would be like going to a Neal Morse concert where he preaches an actual sermon instead of playing songs for the whole show.

I hope that clarifies what I meant, and I'm sorry for not being clear at all.


Ok, understood. Its her show to does as she wishes, even if she wants to talk about "heavy" stuff.

Personally, I'd be more annoyed if I saw her try and tiptoe around the topic of her gayness.


Sure it's her show.  But it's my TV, and I can say that I don't like something on it.

I don't want her to tiptoe around her sexuality.  When she jokes around about it, I'm fine with that.  I dislike it when her show becomes serious about really anything.  I don't watch Oprah at all. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2012 at 20:18
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Sure it's her show.  But it's my TV, and I can say that I don't like something on it.

I don't want her to tiptoe around her sexuality.  When she jokes around about it, I'm fine with that.  I dislike it when her show becomes serious about really anything.  I don't watch Oprah at all. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2012 at 16:24
I genuinely don't understand what COM wanted us to do with this thread. The lesson here COM, is when you start a thread, don't "want" us to do anything. People don't work like that. If you're having fantasies about how people are going to respond, you'll always be disappointed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2012 at 19:01
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

I genuinely don't understand what COM wanted us to do with this thread. The lesson here COM, is when you start a thread, don't "want" us to do anything. People don't work like that. If you're having fantasies about how people are going to respond, you'll always be disappointed.

You're right, instructions are hella difficult Tongue

but Ouch


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2012 at 19:40
lol ur gey
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2012 at 20:20
This is quite the interesting topic. I can't say I'm surprised at the way this thread has played out (nor the ignorant-at-best attempts at derailing the subject). I'd like to ignore all of the posts questioning whether it -is- a valid topic for discussion: judgment has passed, the thread remains open. 

Music is a reflection of both the listener and the artist. Just as feelings close to the artist's heart will find themselves manifest in the music, so will the listener find inspiration in something that seems to touch home. Of course I cannot speak for everyone, but progressive rock in particular drew my youthful self into music because of its introspective lyrics and interesting music that was dominated by neither the masculine nor the feminine. It was there for me in full force as I went through my own "LGBT issues". It's still here for me, the self-actualized woman who finally came to terms with herself and her feelings, no thanks to a bigoted society. Prog was a strong foundation that never faltered for me, and I would never begrudge another that connection. 

So, to me, prog and LGBT issues are heavily intertwined. Lyrically, musically, aesthetically, it can all be argued as well as any interpretation can. The few out artists are an inspiration, as are the ones who've spoken out re: human acceptance over the years. When I write, perform, and record, I am an LGBT artist, even when my songs have no words. This is my experience, and it is not invalidated by virtue of being a minority experience. 

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

 
For an analogy, it would be like going to a Neal Morse concert where he preaches an actual sermon instead of playing songs for the whole show.


Having been to a Neal Morse gig, that's not far from what you get. Preaching in the songs, preaching between the songs, and then, some old Spock's numbers changed up just enough to be preachy. In fact, if there were prog artists whose music was LGBT like Neal Morse's is Christian, with that same kind of visibility, we'd likely see this topic play out quite differently.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 28 2012 at 20:22
Except it would be much less offensive so there'd be less reason to discuss it.
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