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    Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:00

Let me get this straight: There are 100 top prog albums listed. Santana, Miles, & Focus(hamberger concerto). BUT not even ONE ELP album is in there? Who is compiling this list and what are they smoking? I gotta get out of here...
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it's the average of everyone's votes, weighted towards ze collabs and reviewers. but you're right, it's weird that ELP ain't up there - maybe a lot of people think they've dulled as the years have past, become less relevant?
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They are not compiled but based on the reviews on this site. Each review has a one to five star rating.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:03
Originally posted by laplace laplace wrote:

it's the average of everyone's votes, weighted towards ze collabs and reviewers. but you're right, it's weird that ELP ain't up there - maybe a lot of people think they've dulled as the years have past, become less relevant?

There are no votes. It is review ratings.
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THANK YOU!!! WHERE IS ELP IN THE TOP 100?!
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Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:07
I'm getting a strange sense of deja vu.  I could swear I've seen this complaint before.  Ermm
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Points: 13635 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:09
Originally posted by kennyL kennyL wrote:

Let me get this straight: There are 100 top prog albums listed. Santana, Miles, & Focus(hamberger concerto). BUT not even ONE ELP album is in there? Who is compiling this list and what are they smoking? I gotta get out of here...


Come back....Baby come backLOL 

You've only had the one post!

BTW, in this monkey's eye, there is far better out there than ELP, and the Top 100 reflects that (cue a mighty backlash from disgruntled ELP fansApprove)
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Points: 66270 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:09
ELP didn't age well apparently.  The PA generation of reviewers seem to quite dislike ELP.
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It's not only question of ELP. For example, the TOP30 includes crossover pop band like Supertramp, but no Gentle Giant, who is seen as genre-defining band by many.

I believe most collaborators and special reviewers (others don't really matter) agree that ELP belongs to the very top of prog as a whole, but their albums are somewhat inconsistent, and for that reason they seldom get higher rating than 4 stars, and that is not enough to qualify to TOP100. A "Best of ELP" album would get there with ease.
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Originally posted by OT Räihälä OT Räihälä wrote:

It's not only question of ELP. For example, the TOP30 includes crossover pop band like Supertramp, but no Gentle Giant, who is seen as genre-defining band by many.

I believe most collaborators and special reviewers (others don't really matter) agree that ELP belongs to the very top of prog as a whole, but their albums are somewhat inconsistent, and for that reason they seldom get higher rating than 4 stars, and that is not enough to qualify to TOP100. A "Best of ELP" album would get there with ease.

A really good post, but, sadly, not:

2.38 | 31 ratings
The Best of Emerson, Lake & Palmer 
1980
4.27 | 20 ratings
The Atlantic Years (2 Cd Collection)
1992
3.45 | 32 ratings
Return Of The Manticore - CD Boxed Set 
1993
1.41 | 4 ratings
Classic Rock Featuring "Lucky Man" 
1994
3.88 | 26 ratings
The Best Of Emerson, Lake & Palmer
1994
1.09 | 6 ratings
Extended Versions: The Encore Collection 
2000
2.44 | 7 ratings
The very Best of Emerson, Lake & Palmer 
2001
3.20 | 6 ratings
Fanfare For The Common Man [The Anthology] 
2001
1.27 | 16 ratings
Re-Works
2003
3.60 | 8 ratings
The Ultimate Collection
2004
0.00 | 0 ratings
An Introduction To... Emerson Lake & Palmer
2004
3.25 | 6 ratings
The Essential Emerson, Lake & Palmer
2007
3.33 | 5 ratings
Come And See The Show: The Best Of Emerson Lake & Palmer
2008
2.00 | 4 ratings
High Voltage
2010
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^ May I add, that a "Best of ELP" compiled by our experts (and not some useless record company) would make a great ELP album... Wink
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Points: 13635 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:28
Originally posted by OT Räihälä OT Räihälä wrote:

^ May I add, that a "Best of ELP" compiled by our experts (and not some useless record company) would make a great ELP album... Wink

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I can see their first album listed at number 100
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Points: 13635 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:31
Originally posted by elp elp wrote:

I can see their first album listed at number 100


I knew it would only be a matter of time before the ELP Army mobilised, but this quick?LOL
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Must admit, I believe that both Brain Salad and Trilogy are most then deserving of a spot in the top 100. But alas, such is the way of a democracy. The people have spoken.......
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They aren't on there because ELP is poopy.

Edited by Horizons - December 19 2011 at 14:52
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Originally posted by OT Räihälä OT Räihälä wrote:

It's not only question of ELP. For example, the TOP30 includes crossover pop band like Supertramp, but no Gentle Giant, who is seen as genre-defining band by many.

I believe most collaborators and special reviewers (others don't really matter) agree that ELP belongs to the very top of prog as a whole, but their albums are somewhat inconsistent, and for that reason they seldom get higher rating than 4 stars, and that is not enough to qualify to TOP100. A "Best of ELP" album would get there with ease.
I would agree that the (basic) list could be without crossover (like its without proto/related) ,  but that wouldent actualy change a lot. would move "glass house" up a few spots, but would remove Ommadawn, a very "prog" album in my book. If we forget about Kind of Blue (Clown), i think the list is great.
Some album in top 100, i dont know, some i dont like, but still, very much as i would expect it to be. 
 
Im more surprised TOOL is not in top 80, than ELP not in top 100, after all TOOL is one of the major new bands,
giving Prog a new an wider following. With a truely prog aproach, but still with a music and energy that is very much
present times.
 
Even thoug ELP was a major prog band back then, they sound way more outdated today, than most other top 70's bands. At the same time they havent made those super albums that Yes Tull Genesis Crimson Floyds Gentle G, made in the 70's, so its only natural, they are in the 2nd layer now, allmost 40 years later.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Is that poopy or poppy? or both?
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:43
Man, I changed my review of the s/t from a five to a four like a month ago, didn't know it would start this downhill climb. LOL

But honestly, they do get really old after awhile.
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Points: 6797 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:46
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

They aren't on their because ELP is poopy.
 
Shouldn't this be in the reviews section?
 
Perhaps Snow Dog needs to write more reviews?
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