Prog. What the h@*^ is happening?
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Topic: Prog. What the h@*^ is happening?
Posted By: kennyL
Subject: Prog. What the h@*^ is happening?
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:00
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Let me get this straight: There are 100 top prog albums listed. Santana, Miles, & Focus(hamberger concerto). BUT not even ONE ELP album is in there? Who is compiling this list and what are they smoking? I gotta get out of here... |
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:01
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it's the average of everyone's votes, weighted towards ze collabs and reviewers. but you're right, it's weird that ELP ain't up there - maybe a lot of people think they've dulled as the years have past, become less relevant? ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:02
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They are not compiled but based on the reviews on this site. Each review has a one to five star rating. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:03
There are no votes. It is review ratings. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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laplace wrote:Posted By: MattGuitat
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:03
| THANK YOU!!! WHERE IS ELP IN THE TOP 100?! |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:07
I'm getting a strange sense of deja vu. I could swear I've seen this complaint before.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:09
Come back....Baby come back  You've only had the one post! BTW, in this monkey's eye, there is far better out there than ELP, and the Top 100 reflects that (cue a mighty backlash from disgruntled ELP fans  )------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:09
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ELP didn't age well apparently. The PA generation of reviewers seem to quite dislike ELP. ------------- 
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Posted By: OT Räihälä
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:10
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It's not only question of ELP. For example, the TOP30 includes crossover pop band like Supertramp, but no Gentle Giant, who is seen as genre-defining band by many. I believe most collaborators and special reviewers (others don't really matter) agree that ELP belongs to the very top of prog as a whole, but their albums are somewhat inconsistent, and for that reason they seldom get higher rating than 4 stars, and that is not enough to qualify to TOP100. A "Best of ELP" album would get there with ease. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/osmotapioraihala/sets" rel="nofollow - Composer - Click to listen to my works! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:15
A really good post, but, sadly, not:
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Posted By: OT Räihälä
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:25
^ May I add, that a "Best of ELP" compiled by our experts (and not some useless record company) would make a great ELP album...  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/osmotapioraihala/sets" rel="nofollow - Composer - Click to listen to my works! |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:28
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Posted By: elp
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:29
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I can see their first album listed at number 100 |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:31
I knew it would only be a matter of time before the ELP Army mobilised, but this quick? ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:34
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Must admit, I believe that both Brain Salad and Trilogy are most then deserving of a spot in the top 100. But alas, such is the way of a democracy. The people have spoken....... ------------- And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11 |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:39
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They aren't on there because ELP is poopy.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:42
I would agree that the (basic) list could be without crossover (like its without proto/related) , but that wouldent actualy change a lot. would move "glass house" up a few spots, but would remove http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4893" rel="nofollow - Ommadawn , a very "prog" album in my book. If we forget about http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19282" rel="nofollow - Kind of Blue (
 ), i think the list is great.Some album in top 100, i dont know, some i dont like, but still, very much as i would expect it to be.
Im more surprised TOOL is not in top 80, than ELP not in top 100, after all TOOL is one of the major new bands,
giving Prog a new an wider following. With a truely prog aproach, but still with a music and energy that is very much
present times.
Even thoug ELP was a major prog band back then, they sound way more outdated today, than most other top 70's bands. At the same time they havent made those super albums that Yes Tull Genesis Crimson Floyds Gentle G, made in the 70's, so its only natural, they are in the 2nd layer now, allmost 40 years later. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:43
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Is that poopy or poppy? or both? ------------- And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11 |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:43
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Man, I changed my review of the s/t from a five to a four like a month ago, didn't know it would start this downhill climb. But honestly, they do get really old after awhile. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:46
Shouldn't this be in the reviews section?
Perhaps Snow Dog needs to write more reviews? ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:51
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I like ELP a lot. Better than most of the stuff on the top 100. That said, they aren't quite as good as Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd.... They are corny, yes, they are half-baked, yes, but they do some great stuff. I particularly like their albums Emerson Lake & Powell and Black Moon. Black Moon they almost seem serious. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:54
ignore the grammatical error in the last post.  ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 14:59
what grammatical error? |
Posted By: Fox On The Rocks
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 15:14
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BSS should definetly be in the top 100. Karn Evil 9 is phenomenal.
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Posted By: Rutgers Joe
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 15:15
Why do the words "ass" and "door" pop into my head when I read this? ------------- The original (and very creepy) cover of THE STEVE HOWE ALBUM...hint...look in the water... 
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 15:20
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Most people consider their albums to be very good and even ground breaking, but nowhere near as many people consider them to be one of the all time great bands in the way that Yes, Genesis, Krimson, Tull, Floyd and Rush are.
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 15:42
| Yes, ELP should be there over Floyd, Tull, at least their first cd. He doesn't surprise me that their not on that list considering all the negative criticism over their bombastic style. I give more importance to their 4 stars ratings for the first 4 albums. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 15:47
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I'm surprised there isn't any ELP in the list, but that's the way the reviews have gone. ELP maybe have relatively few fans here compared to Genesis and Yes. That's no ones fault. It's just the way it is.
It took me along time to warm to ELP. Maybe now I have, I should pull my finger out and review all their albums... 
Let's have an ELP bomb. Everyone review BSS and give it five stars (regardless of what you may really think about it) That way they'll have an album in the top 100, and we can avoid people moaning about it in the future..
Edit: I've been listening to Trilogy in the car over the weekend. That's the album that should be in the top 100, imo! ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 15:54
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So ELP is such an awesomely great band that they should be faked up into a higher ranking than the algorithm would be placing them in?
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 16:01
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ELP-a definitive, trend-setting, and groundbreaking prog band. And they inspired so many other groups. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 16:16
I wasn't being entirely serious...  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 16:18
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I could never understand why people get so worked up over that damned list.I could care less and haven't even looked at it for a couple of years. -------------  |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 16:19
my fellow countryman has a strong point here
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 16:33
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Here is a thread where somebody has a different opinion than other people. Let's talk about it at length. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 16:52
 ......and its a list of results from reviewers...so really who cares, when I do look at the review page I only read the commentary. The number rating system means horse dung to me. -------------   
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 16:54
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I'm not a big ELP fan but this kind of surprising. If you filter down to Symph only they come in at 18th, 25th, 38th & 39th. That feels about right to me but what the F do I know? |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 17:07
Yes, I believe this is the biggest thing here: they didn't aged well.
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 17:22
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I guess ELP aren't that easy to get in to, Emerson can be ... overwhelming, to say the least, which is not something everyone (including true progheads, whatever that may be) can appreciate. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 19 2011 at 17:26
I respect ELP a lot, they are an iconic band that represents a high point in the history of Symphonic Prog, but not a real fan of them. I believe they reached their peak too soon with Trilogy and BSS and then IMO everything was downhill, with a couple of good albums. But surely they did very good stuff, and Black Moon is an excellent album that gave me hopes for a re-birth that never happened. Iván ------------- 
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