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Slartibartfast 
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 Posted: October 24 2011 at 19:39 |
 SolarLuna96 wrote:
I always thought that they could be interchangeable no matter the context |
And of course, what's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
Edited by Slartibartfast - October 24 2011 at 19:39
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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A Person
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 19:41 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
And of course, what's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
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I DON'T KNOW AND I DON'T CARE
SolarLuna96 wrote:
I always thought that they could be interchangeable no matter the context |
I've always thought not giving a damn had a more negative connotation than apathy.
Edited by A Person - October 24 2011 at 19:43
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Padraic
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 19:44 |
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Frankly, my dear, I am apathetic.
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Dean
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 19:44 |
SolarLuna96 wrote:
Dean wrote:
SolarLuna96 wrote:
Dean wrote:
What an odd thing to get upset about. Then you do seem to be confusing apathy with not giving a damn. |
Are they not the same thing? |
No, not really. Apathy is indifference to important things, not giving a damn is indifference to unimportant things. |
I always thought that they could be interchangeable no matter the context |
You can interchange them, that's the beauty of language, but apathy is usually indifference to things that are generally considered interesting or moving, whereas you can not give a damn about things that are interesting or uninteresting. Being apathetic to uninteresting things isn't much of an achievement, but you have to go out of your way to not give a damn about them.
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Dean
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 19:45 |
Padraic wrote:
Frankly, my dear, I am apathetic. |
How rhett you are.
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jammun
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 19:48 |
The filter can easily be subverted provided you have some knowledge of Old and/or Middle English. So for example this will not be caught by the filter (though maybe some astute admin will kill it).
May no man slepe in youre halle
For flyes,
Madame,
For flyes,
Madame,
But gyf he haue a tent of xv enche
Wyt such byes
To dryve awey the flyes,
Madame.
Iblessyd be such byes
That maketh such suyes
By tuynne my lady thyes
To dryve awey the flyes,
Madame.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Failcore
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 19:54 |
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Chaucer?
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 19:54 |
Of all the things I should care about, this does not rank very high on the list.
I do think it's funny, though. Does putting a few asterisks in between the letters make it not a swear word? If anything it draws more attention to it and makes you think more about the word. And who in the world doesn't know these words? Surely before I was 10 I was saying f**k and all, now I wonder how much sooner kids who have better internet access will be one-upping my swearing...
Edited by stonebeard - October 24 2011 at 20:12
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jammun
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 19:58 |
Deathrabbit wrote:
Chaucer? |
I think the author is unknown, though it's from that general era. Personally, I think it was written by a previous incarnation of Zappa.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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Failcore
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 20:02 |
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Lol, I thought that's what Chaucer was, lol.
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manofmystery
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 20:09 |
Luca Pacchiarini wrote:
I don't have a preference, since I'm not going to swear in English, ever.
I do swear occasionally, in situations of extreme dispair and frustration, but... on the Internet... and in a foreign language it'd seem strange to me...
Swearing is probably, together with counting numbers, the thing you'll never spontaneously learn to do in another language which is not your natural one. |
Most Russian/European born hockey players who make their living in the NHL would beg to differ. And actually, I'd wager "swear" words are the first, and sometimes the only, words most people learn in a foreign language. The "dirty" words are about all I retained from 4 years of German.
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jammun
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 20:23 |
manofmystery wrote:
Luca Pacchiarini wrote:
I don't have a preference, since I'm not going to swear in English, ever.
I do swear occasionally, in situations of extreme dispair and frustration, but... on the Internet... and in a foreign language it'd seem strange to me...
Swearing is probably, together with counting numbers, the thing you'll never spontaneously learn to do in another language which is not your natural one. |
Most Russian/European born hockey players who make their living in the NHL would beg to differ. And actually, I'd wager "swear" words are the first, and sometimes the only, words most people learn in a foreign language. The "dirty" words are about all I retained from 4 years of German. |
Ha the story goes that when Ichiro first came over here and joined the Mariners, the first thing (courtesy Jay Buhner) he learned to do was to swear.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon.
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manofmystery
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Posted: October 24 2011 at 22:29 |
jammun wrote:
manofmystery wrote:
Luca Pacchiarini wrote:
I don't have a preference, since I'm not going to swear in English, ever.
I do swear occasionally, in situations of extreme dispair and frustration, but... on the Internet... and in a foreign language it'd seem strange to me...
Swearing is probably, together with counting numbers, the thing you'll never spontaneously learn to do in another language which is not your natural one. |
Most Russian/European born hockey players who make their living in the NHL would beg to differ. And actually, I'd wager "swear" words are the first, and sometimes the only, words most people learn in a foreign language. The "dirty" words are about all I retained from 4 years of German. |
Ha the story goes that when Ichiro first came over here and joined the Mariners, the first thing (courtesy Jay Buhner) he learned to do was to swear. |
That's the first thing Evgeni Malkin learned in the Penguins locker room and if the tv guys get their mics too close, to the ice, it's still the only English you'll probably catch from him. Being Pittsburgh we all just find it endearing.
Edited by manofmystery - October 24 2011 at 22:30
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Jim Garten
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 04:16 |
The T wrote:
To be honest, when you add "f**k" to a sentence to make it sound more powerful, the "**" actually help highlight the word... |
But why do you need to add 'f**k' to a sentence to add to its power?
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 04:38 |
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^ you don't; I would say there are certain writers in the confines of printed books or articles that may curse in the context of the story or account being told - Bukowski comes to mind, and Anthony Bourdain - sometimes it works, sometimes it's gratuitous. For internet conversations, I find it unnecessary. However I readily admit using mild profanity when engaging in music journalism. Sometimes you wanna write it how you'd say it.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 07:01 |
I under stand that, but does a profanity necessarily add 'power' to a sentence? Personally, I think it detracts.
Of course, that's only my  ing opinion 
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 16:37 |
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I guess that's up to the reader
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The Doctor
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 18:10 |
Jim Garten wrote:
The T wrote:
To be honest, when you add "f**k" to a sentence to make it sound more powerful, the "**" actually help highlight the word... |
But why do you need to add 'f**k' to a sentence to add to its power? |
It depends on the sentence. Sometimes adding swear words to a sentence adds nothing, but sometimes they are more powerful. For example "get out" vs. "get the f out" Or how about "go away" vs. "go f yourself"? I personally think we should ONLY allow swear words as all other words are superfluous. 
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Earendil
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 18:18 |
Padraic wrote:
Frankly, my dear, I am apathetic.
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The T
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Posted: October 25 2011 at 18:58 |
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