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ExittheLemming 
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 Posted: October 23 2011 at 05:35 |
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^ Yeah so? I can swear in Scottish gaelic eg Pogue Mahone but by virtue of doing so is transparent self censorship, so both of us must give a branler?
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 06:26 |
1. Why do we want to swear ?
2. Why can't we do something more useful than debate this ? Helping young ladies over the roads, for example. Why this debate ? 
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 06:44 |
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We swear because we are repressed (this manifests itself in many forms of which swearing is but one instance)
Politeness originates in indifference i.e. it really doesn't matter ( I know it's a very unpalatable notion) but once you get your head round this you will be able to disseminate the angry (those who genuinely care) from the merely inarticulate.
Edited by ExittheLemming - October 23 2011 at 06:46
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manofmystery
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:21 |
I'm torn:
On one hand, there's no need to censor words. They are just words and those who get offended, by something as stupid as four little letters, shouldn't be coddled.
On the other hand, it does make me feel more comfortable cussing up a storm here.
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Epignosis
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:31 |
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There are about fourteen million things that concern me more than the auto censor.
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toroddfuglesteg
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:37 |
 Epignosis wrote:
There are about fourteen million things that concern me more than the auto censor.
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My combined reviews of your two albums will be considerably less than fourteen million words.
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Padraic
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:38 |
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I barely care enough about this issue to post here stating exactly that.
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Dean
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 07:48 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Dean wrote:
Turning off the auto-censor or making it optional would not permit anyone to swear. The "no profanity" rule would remain, it would still be against site rules to swear and more people would be reprimanded for using swear words on the site. Everyone using a swear word without self-censoring would be breaking site rules and liable for punishment of some kind, of which we only have two: demotion and/or suspension - under some circumstances (lesser swear words perhaps) we may give people the choice, other times we may dole out both just for the fun of it.
And then there would be the accusations that Admins were spiteful and vindictive for punishing those who swear, and in retaliation we would have to permaban more people because we are spiteful and vindictive and don't like people making more work for us than is necessary. |
Profanity is used regularly here. So this rule is obviously flexible or not applied always. Or do you mean circumventing the censor? |
If I'm referring to the hypothetical case of the auto-censor being switched off how can I possibly mean circumventing it?
We could be anal about applying the rules and make everyone's life a misery (including mine), or we can be intelligent about it and let the occasional self-censored or auto-censored word slip by if it is obviously not used to cause offence or to be deliberately upsetting. Striking a happy medium between jocular banter among men of the world and Machiavellian application of the rules isn't really that difficult - because turning a blind eye is just another form of laziness and I'm well practised in that, not in the lack of will to do something about an infringement of the rules, but dereliction of the tiresome act of patrolling each and every post looking for them. Therefore in the spirit of give and take I don't think it's a huge ask on our part to expect people to police themselves and not over use swearing or over become reliant on the auto-censor when making posts.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 08:00 |
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^ I didn't understand what you meant. Now I think I do. It's confusing.
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 08:42 |
Dean wrote:
Turning off the auto-censor or making it optional would not permit anyone to swear. The "no profanity" rule would remain, it would still be against site rules to swear and more people would be reprimanded for using swear words on the site. Everyone using a swear word without self-censoring would be breaking site rules and liable for punishment of some kind, of which we only have two: demotion and/or suspension - under some circumstances (lesser swear words perhaps) we may give people the choice, other times we may dole out both just for the fun of it.
And then there would be the accusations that Admins were spiteful and vindictive for punishing those who swear, and in retaliation we would have to permaban more people because we are spiteful and vindictive and don't like people making more work for us than is necessary. |
My suggestion: Abolish the "no profanity" rule, but maintain the profanity filter. I've never understood why both are in place. When I say "f*ck that" ... how can that be offensive to anyone? If I say "f*ck you" ... now that's a personal attack and could still be breaking site rules even if we don't specifically focus on profanity.
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Dean
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 09:29 |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 09:33 |
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I have a technical question. Can Admin see what we have actually written? Is there a difference between f**k and f**k?
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Mr ProgFreak
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 10:31 |
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^ I agree with you Mike. |
Well, it boils down to M@x then, and what his reasons for keeping the profanity rules in place are. I don't think that by loosening them up a bit this place would turn into YouTube. And even if it did, the rule could always be reinstated.
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Dean
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 11:39 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I have a technical question. Can Admin see what we have actually written? Is there a difference between f**k and f**k? |
The auto-censor acts on data input, so the changed word is stored in the database, not the original. So in answer to your question, no we cannot tell the difference, but we do know you didn't mean fork, funk or fisk.
This in itself kills any idea of having the auto-censor as a client-side option.
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Icarium
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 11:45 |
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i voted on the first option since i seem that is the best way to keep the place more friendly, and if you want to swear do it like in comics do this &%@#%$@
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Dean
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 11:48 |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Dean wrote:
^ I agree with you Mike. |
Well, it boils down to M@x then, and what his reasons for keeping the profanity rules in place are. I don't think that by loosening them up a bit this place would turn into YouTube. And even if it did, the rule could always be reinstated. |
For MMA he scrapped the rule and the censor. However, there it was messing up the URLs and biographies of a fair number of metal bands.
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Andy Webb
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 12:06 |
Dean wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
Dean wrote:
^ I agree with you Mike. |
Well, it boils down to M@x then, and what his reasons for keeping the profanity rules in place are. I don't think that by loosening them up a bit this place would turn into YouTube. And even if it did, the rule could always be reinstated. |
For MMA he scrapped the rule and the censor. However, there it was messing up the URLs and biographies of a fair number of metal bands. |
And us metalheads like to swear  
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akamaisondufromage
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 12:06 |
I went for option three. I think it works as it is. We can tell what people are trying to say and what is more important, what it means in context. Most times people swear round here it is just for comic effect.
Nope, I don't give a flying f**k! one way or the other,
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darkshade
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 14:30 |
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Hey guys if you really care about the cuss words showing up on the boards, do this...
**EDIT** Sorry
Edited by darkshade - October 23 2011 at 14:36
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Tony R
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Posted: October 23 2011 at 14:41 |
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<sigh>
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