Genesis vs. Death

You all have to know and understand Ivan. He's not a metal fan, he's quite conservative, he probably has never heard more than two or three death metal bands for more than two or three minutes to be able to tell the difference. He will never do it. For anyone with ears, Death (the band) sounds quite different from, say, Morbid Angel, Carcass, Obituary, Benediction, etc. But it's easier and safer to say they all sound the same. Now, in the "noise" part, well, there's real art music that also contains noise (REAL noise) so that attack is not really too effective. Ivan's contempt for most (not all) metal is understandable and the reason why he threw the snart comment that I replied originally. Of course, in the metal world, fans would ask "Who the hell is Genesis?" This is a prog forum and many prog fans are really from a distant era...

Now it's not the place to disrespect Genesis either (like Caio almost did, ignoring what they are). Genesis, in my view, is by far the better band (they are my favorite band in all rock anyway, on par with DT) but Death was an amazing group that made revolutionary metal music. To the Caesar what belongs to the Caesar.

And really, don't bring popularity into this. The only place where Death will win is in a metal environment. In the big scheme of things, Genesis was 100000 times more popular. Which, my love of Genesis notwithstanding, doesn't really mean a thing.

ikr haha

(Ivan. Hey buddy, it's Andy. Let me give you a hint. Give up, you'll just tire yourself out with these guys. They're relentless).

Lets go point by point:



Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - June 15 2011 at 23:11

ITT: LOL NEOPROG FANS

Triceratopsoil wrote: LOL GENESIS IS SO BAD

JJLehto wrote: I think you are a very close minded person, musically at least.

ITT: revelations abound.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: JJLehto wrote:   erm because they did influence an entire genre of music. That's what I've been saying, sorry if I sound harsh but you don't seem to be reading what I'm saying. I was talking about respecting them for what they did because their influence was huge. Unless you just don't care because you don't like it. I honestly don't like "In the Court of the Crimson King"  that much, it's boring. However, I respect it for its influence as it pretty much created prog rock as we know and all it's influence there. So is it clear? I was asking to respect them for the influence even if you don't like the result...if you can't do that then sorry but that's extremely closed minded. Please understand me: IMO Death Metal is noise Why should I respet the inventors of a different level of noise? I don't care about their influence, because I simply don't care for Death Metal. As simple as that Iván

Well OK, simple as this then:
I think you are a very close minded person, musically at least.

Sad that you can't even respect a band for its influence on a wide swath of music just because you don't like it.

JJLehto wrote: No. No. You keep talking about taste. You've yet to give the band any respect. I don't give a frogs piss about taste, we all have our own and are entitled to it. You just seemed to disregard what Death did for metal, a huge genre. To be fair you still are, you keep going on about taste...what some of us were trying to say is the band had a huge influence on metal. Respect them for that is all, as a fan of music. There is nothing wrong with it all Ivan, but that is useless to the discussion, your personal taste has nothing to do with it. Sensitive? Erm, you are clearly not familiar with my posting style are you? How influential was Genesis on prog rock? They were big yeah but what did they do unique or innovative? Before people get into a fan storm...I like their music a lot. Just don't see them as having much real impact on prog rock, other than the fact they were a big name.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: Polo wrote: Every Genesis fan sounds exactly the same to me. Want some cheese with that whine? Do you want to take it to a personal level? I never said a word about Metal fans. Iván