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Tapfret 
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 12 2007 Location: Bryant, Wa Status: Offline Points: 8622 |
 Posted: December 21 2010 at 16:05 |
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I love you guys but these ideas are all horrible. The only real relevance any rating has is for lesser known bands. The ultra-popular bands will have fanboys and all of their favorite band's albums will be 5-stars, end of story. No point playing Keystone Cops and muzzling everyone else to try to control them. There are a lot of reviewers here on PA. If you really want to know about the band, find a reviewer with similar tastes to you see what they say about the band.
This is the only change that makes any sense. V
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: December 21 2010 at 15:41 |
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Angelo
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: December 21 2010 at 13:39 |
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That's because you lot don't care to read the pop-up  Seriously though - we can't force people to read it, but it helps. At the same time, that is also the reason why we don't add one for 1-star ratings. |
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:27 |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:25 |
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^^^Actually, their third album was quite decent. Their second would be at least decent if the last two track weren't so horrendous. And don't say their repetition is minimalism. There's nothing in there that is anything else but awful pretentiousness.
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tamijo
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Joined: January 06 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 4287 |
Posted: December 20 2010 at 07:48 |
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Adding to the good idears, that is prob. not possible, it would be cool if you could earn 6 stars.
Lets say, you start out with just 1, 6 star rating, Your favorite album.
Then after every 30 reviews you do, will earn you another 6 star rating. And you can never have more than one 6 star, at the same artist (as in this is the absolute masterpiece from Jethro Tull) But you can allways change you 6 star if you like. 6 stars can only be used with a review.
Glad im not the programmer though.
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Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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someone_else
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VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24646 |
Posted: December 20 2010 at 07:35 |
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 I think that cross dependencies between ratings is the best way to deliver ratings from their credibility.Like in the case of the new restrictions on the polling system (people who are PA members for a long time but have less than 40 forum posts cannot vote), such a remedy would be worse than the evil. If someone gives 5 star ratings to his favourite artists or gives only extreme ratings (1 or 5's), this will come to light as the number of ratings increases. Then the admins should deal with it.
Maybe it should be recommended that 1 or 5 star ratings should be accompanied by a review (and maybe not because a review gives them more weight). Edited by someone_else - December 20 2010 at 07:36 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: December 20 2010 at 06:43 |
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T will like what I tell him to like.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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harmonium.ro
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Posted: December 20 2010 at 01:45 |
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I know someone in this thread who'll strongly disagree with you on that last statement  |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 22:02 |
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True, but what's the point, not even 10 pop up messages and a format would stop fanboys from rating the album they want with 5 stars. I seen until now two sites from well known bands asking their fans to come here to rate their albums with 5 stars...Do you believe the message is worth anything? It would be more useful to stop ratings until an album is released, at least we would avoid annoying reviews of people who were never able to listen the album. Now, in my case, I have no trouble in giving 1 or 5 stars to albums I consider masterpieces or terrible, so the pop up never works. Iván
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 20:26 |
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That's a silly rule. What do you do for artists with only one album? What about if an artist is just so good that its albums all deserve five stars. Imagine if the archives were created in 1969. One could easily argue that Crimson's first two, three, four, five, or six albums deserve five stars. Kayo Dot's albums could easily all be five stars.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 20:23 |
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No I actually agree with you. They are annoying, and I would rather the pop-up be removed. However, if it is going to exist, and it seems like it will, it should be for both.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 17:32 |
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Ok fine. I got the right and fair solution. You all write reviews and rate albums, but they'll only be puablished if they receive my approval, ok?
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CCVP
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Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 17:09 |
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Start running Robert, start running. . . . .   |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 17:03 |
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What are you talking about?!  Anglagard is terrible! |
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CCVP
Prog Reviewer
Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 17:00 |
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Agreed Robert, and there are many cases where the artist/band only released one or two albums and both are excellent/masterpieces, such as Sloche, Anglagard, Khan, etc.
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 16:58 |
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Ah, no problem! I wouldn't support such a thing though. In fact, I don't think any changes should be made at all to prevent ratings manipulations. The freedom to rate and review whatever we want is a good thing. That people abuse this freedom does not mean we scrap the freedom!  The admins do a wonderful job weeding out multiple accounts, the rating weights hammer the mountains into molehills (and vice versa), and ultimately, the problems get solved. |
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Formentera Lady
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Joined: August 20 2010 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1840 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 16:51 |
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Sorry, I mean: ...if he/she rated another album of the same artist with not more than 4 stars. (Well, the difficulties of a foreign language...  ) |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32553 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 16:38 |
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How would that prevent fanboyism? At least 4 stars? Five stars is at least 4 stars. |
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Formentera Lady
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Joined: August 20 2010 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1840 |
Posted: December 19 2010 at 16:32 |
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The last days I often thought about that, that maybe people rate albums 1 or 2 stars only, because they do not like the artist in general.
For example, I was also tempted to rate Bjork's Debut album (I happen to own it) with 1 star, but then I thought, I could not do this. I would have rated it so low only, because I do not like her style in general. And that would probably not be fair towards her. So shouldn't it be prevented somehow? With a rule, let's say: One may only rate an album 1 or 2 stars, if he/she rated another album of the same artist with at least 3 stars. Also to prevent fanboyism: One may only rate an album 5 stars, if he/she rated another album of the same artist with at least 4 stars. (Exception: if the artist has only 1 album, a 5 star rating should be allowed.) I know it is complicated...
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