Pop up message for 1 star ratings
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Topic: Pop up message for 1 star ratings
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Subject: Pop up message for 1 star ratings
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 22:31
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I feel like this has been brought up before and shot down, but the search function sucks. Shouldn't the pop-up message, which displays when rating an album 5 stars, also show when rating an album one star? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 22:46
 Giving "One Star" rating should be very nervous for all Collabs. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Equality 7-2521 wrote:Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 22:51
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I have a feeling that this used to come up when "0-stars" was still an
actual rating, but I agree that it should be bumped to the 1 option. To be used sparingly, as should a 5 star. actually, wouldn't it be nice if your account would only let you have a certain ratio of each rating? You'd be given two 5s, three 4s, four 3s, three 2s and two 1s to distribute and when you were all out of those you'd get a refill. Keep things on an even playing field, y'know. I know it's impossible, but it was an interesting thought I just had 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 22:55
| ^ that would probably lead to even more abuse of the rating system |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 18 2010 at 22:56
this is very true. Hence the not possible part 
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 00:49
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The concept of using 40% of your available options "sparingly" seems ludicrous. Perhaps in a 10 point system skewing away from the poles would be fine, but I see no reason to prozacify how we feel with such a narrow target.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 00:53
No. That sounds dreadful. I don't want to have to go to the trash heap every time I review a masterpiece. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 03:24
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A pop-up message won't stop the * review which in too many cases are given by people who want to promote the albums they like in detriment of other albums. But as it was said in other threads, maybe it would be a good idea for the * rater to be asked to write a review in which he has to explain why he is rating only one star |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 06:24
That's in interesting idea, which can be applied to the ***** rating too. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 06:58
Ratings without reviews are, frankly, almost worthless once a few honest reviews kick in, especially from collaborators. Forcing manipulators to write a review for a one star rating will not prevent them from manipulating- they will either make up a vague review (which will give their manipulation a 10x weighting) or they will be lazy and just post two star ratings. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 08:36
Yeah that's what I was remembering it from I think. I think the problem with you suggestion is you can rate a lot of albums 5 stars without being a over-rater. People are just more inclined to review albums they like. I want to review the albums I love; I don't want to waste time reviewing every terrible Spock's Beard album I've heard. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 11:22
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I actually think that message is annoying. Guidelines for reviews should be read and that's it. ------------- 
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 11:58
But your a Justin Bieber fan, so should we care?  ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 12:38
Seconded. I think we should get rid of the pop-up for 5 star reviews - let alone add another pop-up for 1 star reviews. ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 12:44
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Pat, are you really asking for more government admin intervention? -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 12:45
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 13:19
Agreed. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 13:23
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On a more serious note: the pop up on 5 stars serves a purpose. It's intended to keep people from considering (new) albums master pieces too easily. Not every 'great album' is necessarily a masterpiece. A master piece can only reveal itself by standing the test of time. Maybe you could argue the same for a piece of rubbish, but a one star album is not necessarily a piece of rubbish. It may also be a non-prog album by an artist who has made prog albums before or after the one being rated. One to five stars is not just a numeric rating applied to an album, the individual ratings have their own definitions as well - and that's been the case since the launch of PA.
------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 14:20
Maybe in theory, but in practice this year we've seen a lot of 5* thrown in the battle for new releases which probably will be gorgotten in 2-3 years.. |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 16:32
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The last days I often thought about that, that maybe people rate albums 1 or 2 stars only, because they do not like the artist in general. For example, I was also tempted to rate Bjork's Debut album (I happen to own it) with 1 star, but then I thought, I could not do this. I would have rated it so low only, because I do not like her style in general. And that would probably not be fair towards her. So shouldn't it be prevented somehow? With a rule, let's say: One may only rate an album 1 or 2 stars, if he/she rated another album of the same artist with at least 3 stars. Also to prevent fanboyism: One may only rate an album 5 stars, if he/she rated another album of the same artist with at least 4 stars. (Exception: if the artist has only 1 album, a 5 star rating should be allowed.) I know it is complicated... 
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 16:38
How would that prevent fanboyism? At least 4 stars? Five stars is at least 4 stars.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 16:51
Sorry, I mean: ...if he/she rated another album of the same artist with not more than 4 stars. (Well, the difficulties of a foreign language...  ) |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 16:58
Ah, no problem! I wouldn't support such a thing though. In fact, I don't think any changes should be made at all to prevent ratings manipulations. The freedom to rate and review whatever we want is a good thing. That people abuse this freedom does not mean we scrap the freedom!  The admins do a wonderful job weeding out multiple accounts, the rating weights hammer the mountains into molehills (and vice versa), and ultimately, the problems get solved. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 17:00
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Agreed Robert, and there are many cases where the artist/band only released one or two albums and both are excellent/masterpieces, such as Sloche, Anglagard, Khan, etc. -------------   
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 17:03
What are you talking about?! Anglagard is terrible! ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 17:09
Start running Robert, start running. . . . .   -------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 17:32
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Ok fine. I got the right and fair solution. You all write reviews and rate albums, but they'll only be puablished if they receive my approval, ok?
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 20:23
No I actually agree with you. They are annoying, and I would rather the pop-up be removed. However, if it is going to exist, and it seems like it will, it should be for both. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 20:26
That's a silly rule. What do you do for artists with only one album? What about if an artist is just so good that its albums all deserve five stars. Imagine if the archives were created in 1969. One could easily argue that Crimson's first two, three, four, five, or six albums deserve five stars. Kayo Dot's albums could easily all be five stars. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 19 2010 at 22:02
True, but what's the point, not even 10 pop up messages and a format would stop fanboys from rating the album they want with 5 stars. I seen until now two sites from well known bands asking their fans to come here to rate their albums with 5 stars...Do you believe the message is worth anything? It would be more useful to stop ratings until an album is released, at least we would avoid annoying reviews of people who were never able to listen the album. Now, in my case, I have no trouble in giving 1 or 5 stars to albums I consider masterpieces or terrible, so the pop up never works. Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 20 2010 at 01:45
I know someone in this thread who'll strongly disagree with you on that last statement |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 20 2010 at 06:43
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T will like what I tell him to like. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 20 2010 at 07:35
 I think that cross dependencies between ratings is the best way to deliver ratings from their credibility.Like in the case of the new restrictions on the polling system (people who are PA members for a long time but have less than 40 forum posts cannot vote), such a remedy would be worse than the evil. If someone gives 5 star ratings to his favourite artists or gives only extreme ratings (1 or 5's), this will come to light as the number of ratings increases. Then the admins should deal with it.
Maybe it should be recommended that 1 or 5 star ratings should be accompanied by a review (and maybe not because a review gives them more weight). ------------- 
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 20 2010 at 07:48
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Adding to the good idears, that is prob. not possible, it would be cool if you could earn 6 stars.
Lets say, you start out with just 1, 6 star rating, Your favorite album.
Then after every 30 reviews you do, will earn you another 6 star rating. And you can never have more than one 6 star, at the same artist (as in this is the absolute masterpiece from Jethro Tull) But you can allways change you 6 star if you like. 6 stars can only be used with a review.
Glad im not the programmer though.
------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:25
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^^^Actually, their third album was quite decent. Their second would be at least decent if the last two track weren't so horrendous. And don't say their repetition is minimalism. There's nothing in there that is anything else but awful pretentiousness. -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 11:27
? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 13:39
That's because you lot don't care to read the pop-up Seriously though - we can't force people to read it, but it helps. At the same time, that is also the reason why we don't add one for 1-star ratings. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 15:41
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 16:05
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I love you guys but these ideas are all horrible. The only real relevance any rating has is for lesser known bands. The ultra-popular bands will have fanboys and all of their favorite band's albums will be 5-stars, end of story. No point playing Keystone Cops and muzzling everyone else to try to control them. There are a lot of reviewers here on PA. If you really want to know about the band, find a reviewer with similar tastes to you see what they say about the band. This is the only change that makes any sense. V
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 16:13
I don't even agree with this. We get many albums prior to their release date specifically for the purpose of reviewing them. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 21 2010 at 18:12
Of course, even when I normally wait until the album is released, I admit some reviews should be accepted.............But EXCLUSIVELY with a mention of how you got the album LEGALLY, and in no way a rating without review should be admitted before the album is released. If somebody is found lying, not only the review should be deleted, but the member suspended. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 22 2010 at 02:08
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^ Abuse could be greatly curtailed by making pre-release reviews a collaborator only privilege. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 22 2010 at 08:32
Never said collaborator only....Any member who can justify how he/she got the album would be OK. Iván -------------
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 22 2010 at 10:53
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I know you didn't. I'm suggesting it now.
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: December 22 2010 at 12:13
Pop-ups should be forbidden by law. Their an utter nuisance and serve no purpose at all. Away with them! Besides, they never stopped anybody from doing what they intended to do. The 5 star rating overkill on PA proves it. |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: December 22 2010 at 12:17
Due to the devaluation of 5 stars and the abscence of half-stars on PA, I would like this option very much. And as you suggested, only available for reviews and only in relation to your total number of reviews. One out of 30 reviews (or 3,33% of total reviews) sounds cool ! And oh, I am a web developer, but luckily not here so I have no guilt supporting such an elaborate change proposal  |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 22 2010 at 12:20
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I still believe that 0.5 stars would help a lot. We don't even need to change the existing reviews unless you want to do so. Iván -------------
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 23 2010 at 05:28
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dbl post sorry ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: December 23 2010 at 05:31
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Dumped into this today
Dont know if i should laugh or cry, 30 symphonic ratings, 30, 5 star masterpieces.
 ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: December 27 2010 at 17:53
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^ I'm sure there's a connection there between the bands in that list but I just can't nail it. Hmm... Didn't they all have Chuck Schuldiner on vocals? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 29 2010 at 11:27
That's not the point. The point is the site has a pop up. The pop up mentions 5 star and 1 star ratings, but doesn't display for 1 star ratings. Either remove the text from the pop up or add the pop up to the one star. I didn't start this thread to debate the relative merits of a pop up vs. no pop up format. Also, the 5 star 'overkill' shows no such thing. As I seem to have to keep saying, you would expect that people review 5 star albums more frequently than any other star rating so it seems plausible to have a high degree of those, especially from people with a limited number of reviews. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 06:20
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^ you got me there, I admit never read that message, I never read pop-ups with just an "ok" button, it's my developper background probably I certainly didn't know it said anything about 1 star albums as well. As to the 5 star overkill, I disagree, there are too many of them and it bothers me, especially in case of fan-boyism and tactical votes. But agreed, it's usually ok with the reviews/reviewers that I find relevant. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 06:46
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Interesting.... not much you can do about those repeated 5 star rating offenders - hopefully they dont make too much of a difference to the overall rating. ------------- 
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 11:11
Who's the user? We can report that, you know. Me thinks someone from Transatlantic did that lol ------------- 
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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 12:18
This makes me cry  . I always think a long time before I rate an album, and these people undermine my efforts.This page is a starting point to find some of the fanboys (or girls): http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12285" rel="nofollow - |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 01 2011 at 21:27
Posted By: Formentera Lady Date Posted: January 02 2011 at 11:05
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M Date Posted: January 02 2011 at 13:02
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush Date Posted: January 04 2011 at 08:50
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