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Posted: December 09 2010 at 09:18
seventhsojourn wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
SolarLuna96 wrote:
Two Questions: Don't we need a normal prog party before we have a radical one? and Has any artist been kicked off the site before?
Yes, but I don't remember who it was. I think it was just in the early days, but I'm not positive.
Arcade Fire? I guess there were others in the early days.
You have virtually no chance of getting Bjork removed. The best you can hope for is a move to Prog Related.
Whoa!! I've never listened to Bjork so won't/can't comment on her. Just answering Henry's post, btw I like Arcade Fire.
Katatonia and My Dying Bride were both kicked off the site, but that was because of the way they were added rather than for their music (a PMT member added them without their being a vote). Of course, MDB have got back on when they were voted on properly last year.
I'm really beginning to wonder about the Crossover genre, several bands have recently been added that belong in PR at best (Tori Amos, NIN, Bjork). Plus, they now have a tendency to overturn previous rejections, Bjork being a case in point.
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 09:52
sleeper wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
SolarLuna96 wrote:
Two Questions: Don't we need a normal prog party before we have a radical one? and Has any artist been kicked off the site before?
Yes, but I don't remember who it was. I think it was just in the early days, but I'm not positive.
Arcade Fire? I guess there were others in the early days.
You have virtually no chance of getting Bjork removed. The best you can hope for is a move to Prog Related.
Whoa!! I've never listened to Bjork so won't/can't comment on her. Just answering Henry's post, btw I like Arcade Fire.
Katatonia and My Dying Bride were both kicked off the site, but that was because of the way they were added rather than for their music (a PMT member added them without their being a vote). Of course, MDB have got back on when they were voted on properly last year.
I'm really beginning to wonder about the Crossover genre, several bands have recently been added that belong in PR at best (Tori Amos, NIN, Bjork). Plus, they now have a tendency to overturn previous rejections, Bjork being a case in point.
well I won' t disguss their placement in CO, they are okey with me then I find it a bit strage that some bands that defines Crossover whom also are used as a describtion of the crossing of pop and prog, are on prog related and not in Crossover, im talking of the major Art rock (pop) bands Queen, 10cc and Roxy Music whom all are sort of central bands in prog meats pop movement,
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 10:10
I am still hearing the "Medulla" album ... let me say i am hating the vocal arrangements , still cant believe someone called the album a progressive music masterpiece xD , I mean cmon , wanna good vocal/choir arrangements?Hear the master of counterpoint then:
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 10:12
sleeper wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
SolarLuna96 wrote:
Two Questions: Don't we need a normal prog party before we have a radical one? and Has any artist been kicked off the site before?
Yes, but I don't remember who it was. I think it was just in the early days, but I'm not positive.
Arcade Fire? I guess there were others in the early days.
You have virtually no chance of getting Bjork removed. The best you can hope for is a move to Prog Related.
Whoa!! I've never listened to Bjork so won't/can't comment on her. Just answering Henry's post, btw I like Arcade Fire.
Katatonia and My Dying Bride were both kicked off the site, but that was because of the way they were added rather than for their music (a PMT member added them without their being a vote). Of course, MDB have got back on when they were voted on properly last year.
I'm really beginning to wonder about the Crossover genre, several bands have recently been added that belong in PR at best (Tori Amos, NIN, Bjork). Plus, they now have a tendency to overturn previous rejections, Bjork being a case in point.
Whoa, Andy - what previous rejections has Xover ever overturned? Bjork has never been suggested or rejected prior to this current suggestion/evaluation/acceptance/addition.
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 10:16
Xanatos wrote:
I am still hearing the "Medulla" album ... let me say i am hating the vocal arrangements , still cant believe someone called the album a progressive music masterpiece xD , I mean cmon , wanna good vocal/choir arrangements?Hear the master of counterpoint then:
::snip::
Artists additions are not evaluated on whether you (or anyone else) likes it or whether the music is any good or not. We are not the arbiters of quality.
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 10:25
Dean wrote:
Xanatos wrote:
I am still hearing the "Medulla" album ... let me say i am hating the vocal arrangements , still cant believe someone called the album a progressive music masterpiece xD , I mean cmon , wanna good vocal/choir arrangements?Hear the master of counterpoint then:
::snip::
Artists additions are not evaluated on whether you (or anyone else) likes it or whether the music is any good or not. We are not the arbiters of quality.
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 10:26
Dean wrote:
sleeper wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
SolarLuna96 wrote:
Two Questions: Don't we need a normal prog party before we have a radical one? and Has any artist been kicked off the site before?
Yes, but I don't remember who it was. I think it was just in the early days, but I'm not positive.
Arcade Fire? I guess there were others in the early days.
You have virtually no chance of getting Bjork removed. The best you can hope for is a move to Prog Related.
Whoa!! I've never listened to Bjork so won't/can't comment on her. Just answering Henry's post, btw I like Arcade Fire.
Katatonia and My Dying Bride were both kicked off the site, but that was because of the way they were added rather than for their music (a PMT member added them without their being a vote). Of course, MDB have got back on when they were voted on properly last year.
I'm really beginning to wonder about the Crossover genre, several bands have recently been added that belong in PR at best (Tori Amos, NIN, Bjork). Plus, they now have a tendency to overturn previous rejections, Bjork being a case in point.
Whoa, Andy - what previous rejections has Xover ever overturned? Bjork has never been suggested or rejected prior to this current suggestion/evaluation/acceptance/addition.
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 10:51
Okay, done with Medula. It's not 100% quintessential prog, but definitely prog enough for crossover, which includes bands/artists like Supertramp, APP, Tori Amos and used to include Steely Dan (who are still in a prog genre anyway - JR/F). If this is obvious to me after listening to it just once, then I am sorry, but I don't see the basis for so much expression of dismay, other than that maybe these people remember Bjork as the Icelandic pop queen (and having taken a stand would not now like to admit they got it wrong). Since I have never heard any of her other albums, I can't say if she has any rock in her material, but if she doesn't or if Medula was the most important reason to add her, I do have a minor quibble that an artist who has nothing to do with rock has been added. Not that I personally disagree with that because I have never considered the rock part of it as all that important but artists have been rejected in the past for, among other reasons, not being rock enough. So is it because, as Exitthelemming suggested, prog is now considered synonymous with experimental and innovative (the problem in that case being that something that doesn't 'sound' out there but is so in substance may get an unfair evaluation)?
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 12:50
Oh! I´m tired! Please somebody stop this useless discussion!
A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 13:37
Xanatos wrote:
Dean wrote:
sleeper wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
SolarLuna96 wrote:
Two Questions: Don't we need a normal prog party before we have a radical one? and Has any artist been kicked off the site before?
Yes, but I don't remember who it was. I think it was just in the early days, but I'm not positive.
Arcade Fire? I guess there were others in the early days.
You have virtually no chance of getting Bjork removed. The best you can hope for is a move to Prog Related.
Whoa!! I've never listened to Bjork so won't/can't comment on her. Just answering Henry's post, btw I like Arcade Fire.
Katatonia and My Dying Bride were both kicked off the site, but that was because of the way they were added rather than for their music (a PMT member added them without their being a vote). Of course, MDB have got back on when they were voted on properly last year.
I'm really beginning to wonder about the Crossover genre, several bands have recently been added that belong in PR at best (Tori Amos, NIN, Bjork). Plus, they now have a tendency to overturn previous rejections, Bjork being a case in point.
Whoa, Andy - what previous rejections has Xover ever overturned? Bjork has never been suggested or rejected prior to this current suggestion/evaluation/acceptance/addition.
The 2006 threads did not result in an evaluation by any genre team - if there was no evaluation there was no rejection.
The 2009 threads did not result in an evaluation by any genre team - if there was no evaluation there was no rejection.
The 2010 thread resulted in an evaluation by the Crossover team - there was an evalaution against Controversial Artist rules and an unanimous "Yes" decsion was made by the team.
Nothing debatable about any of that.
Sorry chief.
In the meantime, here is a picture of my favourite band.
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Posted: December 09 2010 at 13:58
Dean wrote:
Xanatos wrote:
Dean wrote:
sleeper wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
seventhsojourn wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
SolarLuna96 wrote:
Two Questions: Don't we need a normal prog party before we have a radical one? and Has any artist been kicked off the site before?
Yes, but I don't remember who it was. I think it was just in the early days, but I'm not positive.
Arcade Fire? I guess there were others in the early days.
You have virtually no chance of getting Bjork removed. The best you can hope for is a move to Prog Related.
Whoa!! I've never listened to Bjork so won't/can't comment on her. Just answering Henry's post, btw I like Arcade Fire.
Katatonia and My Dying Bride were both kicked off the site, but that was because of the way they were added rather than for their music (a PMT member added them without their being a vote). Of course, MDB have got back on when they were voted on properly last year.
I'm really beginning to wonder about the Crossover genre, several bands have recently been added that belong in PR at best (Tori Amos, NIN, Bjork). Plus, they now have a tendency to overturn previous rejections, Bjork being a case in point.
Whoa, Andy - what previous rejections has Xover ever overturned? Bjork has never been suggested or rejected prior to this current suggestion/evaluation/acceptance/addition.
The 2006 threads did not result in an evaluation by any genre team - if there was no evaluation there was no rejection.
The 2009 threads did not result in an evaluation by any genre team - if there was no evaluation there was no rejection.
The 2010 thread resulted in an evaluation by the Crossover team - there was an evalaution against Controversial Artist rules and an unanimous "Yes" decsion was made by the team.
Nothing debatable about any of that.
Sorry chief.
In the meantime, here is a picture of my favourite band.
ABBA?
A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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