Bjork go home! (the right one)
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Topic: Bjork go home! (the right one)
Posted By: Xanatos
Subject: Bjork go home! (the right one)
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:06
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In the name of the great Radical Prog Party  I demand your opinion about his addition , if you approve this addition please give good arguments and post them here (and dont vote lol) for me Bjork is only a pop/electronica chick (yeah she is a talented singer and songwriter) but SHES NOT PROG!!!!!!! moar RPP propaganda;   |
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:08
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whatever... ------------- 
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:11
------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Zargus wrote:Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:11
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Is Great! , finally he entered the archives
I thought Bjork was a she  Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:15
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A terrible addition imo. Not prog rock at all. Still have no idea how she was accepted after being rejected multiple times. But so it goes I guess. To be fair, PA has other terrible additions, and compared to some of those this isn't as bad. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:23
| Who wants to join the RPP? anybody? lol |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:24
| Fixd the he/she |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:25
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Rock Progressivo Polish?
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Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:27
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Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:28
no lol , the RADICAL PROG PARTY :)
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:31
| I just think it's ridiculous that Bjork is "prog" but Satan Alfa Beel Atem and Detectivbyran aren't |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:34
| Dude we already have Iron Maiden... give it up. |
Posted By: Tychovski
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:40
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Like Bjork - just never considered her in my narrow little definition of prog. Certainly cutting edge and unique, but not progressive rock in my opinion. I don't think it makes much difference if she's in or not. Now let's talk Yoko... ------------- Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974, it's a scientific fact. |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:48
| Show me songs that prove her uniqness then , cmon guys , i want to see facts , why he entered the archives at all?, Yep i am talking to YOU! the guy who make her enter why dont you appear and tell us why is she here? (Not even in the bio of the artist i see the reason of the addition) the only thing i see is a pop/electronica girl |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:52
I disagree, and it's bizarre considering how many times she's been publicly shot down, but I don't care enough to vote.
To be fair, though, I support the rejection of Satan Alfa Beel Atem because I want the world to forget they ever existed. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:54
Oh no. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 18:57
 Since I have never listened to an album of her's I don't know for sure. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 19:07
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 19:43
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Regardless of the fact that I find her more irritating that a mains powered squeaky toy, Bjork's output is certainly eclectic and experimental (but then so are Jane Siberry and PJ Harvey I guess) Given the current climate for additions on PA, were the Radical Prog Party to run for election I suspect they would lose their deposit. We are way too far down the inclusive road now for a U turn methinks. I believe PA will continue to mutate into a repository for all kinds of interesting, innovative and experimental rock music and whether we like it or not, the Prog hard-liners will suffer the same fate as the dinosaurs they gaze lovingly on behind the glass case.If we're forced to choose, give me a zoo over a museum any day. ------------- 
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 19:45
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Your second topic about Bjork? A bit obsessed, eh? ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 19:49
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Yeah, she should be under G for Guđmundsdóttir instead of B for Björk Guđmundsdóttir.
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 19:50
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Two Questions: Don't we need a normal prog party before we have a radical one? and Has any artist been kicked off the site before? ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Jörgemeister
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 20:03
be positive guys, we can review her albums now  ... (i have heard a few)next addition: Madonna |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 20:07
Yes, but I don't remember who it was. I think it was just in the early days, but I'm not positive. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 20:10
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So let me get this straight. People still actually care about which artists are on PA and which are not? Hard to believe, especially since it's so easy to come up with an objective definition of Prog. And, of course, it's vital that we come up with that definition. Also, vital that we don't listen to things that we decided we don't like. What is the world coming to? [... aaand scene] |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 20:39
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 20:52
Well, think of it like this. You go to this website about this weird prog thing and you see the artist Bjork on the front page of it. I think that would turn people away from not only this website but also progressive rock as a whole. [... aaand scene] ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 21:08
This is, erm, stupid.
They're gonna get added, though. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 21:18
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Prog is very easy to define. I don't know why so many people make a mystery out of it. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: alanight
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 21:36
| This is so snob... AND SO STUPID |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 21:44
This is freedom of speech Iván -------------
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 21:53
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This is Sparta. ------------- 
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 22:05
Yes, it is very easy to define. We even have clearly defined sub-divisions, here are some examples. Crossover Prog Prog-Related Symphonic Prog Tech/Extreme Prog Metal Not Prog at all Jazz/Rock Fusion Also Not Prog at All ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 22:24
oh cool  |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 22:29
No, I guess Rock Progresivo Peruano Iván -------------
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 22:30
Hmmm? I don't think anybody's trying to silence him. -------------  |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 22:43
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 23:20
And if Bjork was rock I think I'd be less objective.
 However, I do think it would be good to see this site be Progressive MUSIC archives and just add al sorts of progressive jazz, avant-garde, experimental japanese folk, etc to this site. I know Logan started a thread about it, hell I might of as well. Sadly that won't happen anytime soon and if this site is promoting itself as a progressive rock site the artists on this site need to be both progressive and rock.
And if it does happen we;d have to kick off artists like Queen and Styx which I don't see happening anytime soon either.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 23:24
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And just like other artists I disagree with being on here I will ask and honestly listen to with open ears:
Which album(s) of hers are progressive rock? ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 23:32
Medulla is the one that got her in, as far as I know. But it's a capella so it's not exactly rock.
Well, it's not fair to exclude them just because they're terrible, but I still can dream... ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: 40footwolf
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 23:34
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I think she fits into Progressive Electronic well but the fact that she's here before Judas Priest is completely outrageous. ------------- Heaven's made a cesspool of us all. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 06 2010 at 23:51
Christ. I have that album already. I was hoping it was another one because I found nothing there that makes it worthy of PA. Though Robert Wyatt was on it briefly...and he's here. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: popski3125
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 00:04
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Funny, I was listening to Bjork yesterday and wondering why she wasn't on PA.....
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 01:53
...as PR. Its not hard to see the roots of prog-metal branching from Maiden. I would be less offended by this addition if not for the inclusion basis being "innovation and experimentation". When suggestions for other artists, Buckethead being a glaring example, are presented with the same innovative and experimental criteria, they are met with resistance and claims that its not enough of a basis for inclusion. Its like PA is the hottest nightclub on Sunset and whether you can make the cover charge or how long you have been in line makes no difference as to whether you are getting in or not. Its all about who you know. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 02:54
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No vote. I'm still quite neutral about this addition. ------------- 
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 03:29
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Though I am biased, I'd like to point out, that Björk had a huge part in the Icelandic experimental rock scene for almost 20 years ('77-'93), which was way before her solo career. And though it diidn't make her famous, she did release several album with rock, jazz & punk bands... Here's a nice tune to chill you out :) |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 04:40
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If anything...Prog Related i would think. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 05:38
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Bjork is not prog in any way. But frankly, the inclusion of bands like The Who, The Beatles, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Budgie and many others who don't really qualify as prog, means that progarchives is no longer really a prog site in the real sense. (I love those last 3 bands, but stretching the prog scene to cover them is a step too far for me). Tell you what, John Lydon had a band that were really progressive in the late 70s - lots of wierd time signatures (they couldn't play in time), wierd chords (they couldn't play the real ones) and lots of gobbing. If I could recall their name, I'd recommend them, because on current criteria, they might get in. Now watch this post get deleted! ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 05:39
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I support the addition; I've always thought Verspetine and Medulla were prog albums. ------------- 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 05:43
You're not aware of the fact that none of those bands you mentioned were added on PA as prog bands? |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 06:52
| She might, might, be prog related, but I think it's stretching a bit. She'a talented and unique. IMHO a better classification would be experimental pop. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 06:54
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no comment -------------
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 07:58
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The only one of hers I have is Post, which I'll put on once in a blue moon. I like it, but don't think it's essential. The simple fact is that collaborators have decided to include her, so end of argument really, although I also think it is stretching it a bit.
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Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 11:34
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Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 11:37
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 11:44
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Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 11:47
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MUST JOIN THE RADICAL PROG PARTY! ------------- 
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 11:52
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For those who actually wonder what is proggy about Bjork, get Medulla...it may be too avant for many tastes but to deny it's progressive is just sour grapes. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 12:04
Arcade Fire? I guess there were others in the early days.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 12:08
You have virtually no chance of getting Bjork removed. The best you can hope for is a move to Prog Related. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 12:13
Whoa!! I've never listened to Bjork so won't/can't comment on her. Just answering Henry's post, btw I like Arcade Fire.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 12:19
I was just vanswering the suggestion in general, not you in particular. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:31
Yes :) finally a supporter
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:45
Why would we delete your post? If we deleted every silly post here we'd lose 80% of the content. Ask me why your post is silly. Ok, thanks I'll answer. The bands you mention are included in the Prog-Related banner and are not considered to be Prog Rock, just somehow related to Prog, hence the name. Thanks for playing. |
Posted By: Lark the Starless
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:48
Sir Fripp wants you for the RPR! -------------
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:52
Don´t you mean Public Image Limited? ------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:54
Sex Pistols ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:57
You mean this? lol |
Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:58
------------- A Elbereth Gilthoniel silivren penna míriel o menel aglar elenath! Na-chaered palan-díriel o galadhremmin ennorath, Fanuilos, le linnathon nef aear, sí nef aearon! |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 13:58
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party" rel="nofollow - Grafitti on a wall... ....... She http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee" rel="nofollow - would if she could ........ |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 14:05
He was being sarcastic. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 14:20
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 15:16
Still have it, still hear no rock. If things being experimental means addition to this site we have alot of work to do in adding MANY more artists that are experimental without rock. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 15:34
| Who closed my "Noooooooooo!!" thread in "Just for fun" and please tell me why , this is outrage! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 15:38
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Me. |
Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 15:39
This argument makes no sense whatsoever. If you come to this website because you want to find weird (if by that you mean unconventional, thought-provoking) music than Bjork fits right in. If you're looking for "weird prog" (meaning weird instances of Prog music) than Bjork fits quite well again. If whatever you're looking for, you want to find experimentation, regardless of how you might term that, than Bjork is welcome again. If you're unable to ignore or rationalize the presence of Bjork on this site in any of the previous ways (or in any way at all), I'll have to say your (generic "you") presence on this website will be sorely missed, but we'll get over it quite soon. As far as questions of progressive rock go, we already have progressive electronic, so what gives about this new found rock puritanism? |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 15:46
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:00
| Next: Scott Walker |
Posted By: Asphalt
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:00
You say it like it's a bad thing  I understand that such a shift in perspective may entail a major overhaul. Still, the fact that a change seems discouraging due to sheer work that is implied does not mean it ought to be dismissed without serious consideration. A lot of the artists already on the site have little to do with rock. I'm not only talking about a slew of albums that fit electronic and jazz slots sooner than rock-related ones. Even genres we regard as representative of prog rock, such as avant and rio, hold dubious releases. How much of Kayo Dot's output can be thought of in terms of rock? Sure, there's guitar and drums and even riffs, but most of it is so removed from what we think of as rock that it's hard to make a case for it. What I'm saying, basically is (1) We should seriously consider the whole rock element. We might come to the conclusion that we want to hold by it. But we should seriously consider it. (2) If we do want to change it, we can set our own terms and rate at which we adopt new things. Nobody expects PA to add all the new artists that qualify overnight. As far as I'm concerned, case-by-case additions are, in fact, the best way to make this shift, with all the ensuing - and somewhat necessary - reactions that go with it. |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:25
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:38
Just as you didn't explain why we needed two threads about this, I don't need to explain why I closed the other one, now do I?  |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:42
| But...there were three on the go. Now there is just one. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:44
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They see me repostin', they probably generally ok with it....
OK yes, Bjork is good, and makes great,* innovative* music very very almost always in the pop tradition.
Homogenic and Post in particular are gorgeous.
*Volta is neither great nor innovative. Let's just forget that crap exists. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 16:45
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I think we need to appoint a special Collab to watch over all the Bjork threads as they are taking over recently. Good job Tony, you have my respect! -------------
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:00
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^ Hopefully input into reviews will match the posting activity - either good or bad. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:01
Thank God someone noticed. There is intelligence in Wales after all. I've been wrong for 60 years. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:01
I'd love to see the site become "Progressive Music Archives". There has been at least one thread about this in the past. I just don't see it happening. As far as I know thissire was created to be a haven for progressive rock and as long as that what the site calls itself that's what it should contain. If the powers that be want to switch over thats great, there should just be an announcement so we could add bands/artists that are progressive in other ways.
I agree that there are many additions I don't agree with, both on the side of being progrssive and on the side of being rock. I don't know prog electronic that well so I really can't argue that. The main artist I know is Tangerine Dream who certainly did have rockier albums along the way that I think can justify their addition here. Again, as far as I know, they are also deemed to be progressive rock on many websites and musical databases. I can't recall Bjork ever being described as progressive rock or rock for that matter. Should this (acceptance by others) be an overlying factor in what is added to the archives? Probably not, but I do think its important for the site to not look foolish to the passerby. Obviously people who have been here awhile understand how these things work, or accept that they work like this.
Thats a bit of a tangent though...I had the same reaction when Miles Davis was added to the site. An absolutely ridiculous addition in terms of progressive rock but an absolute necessity in terms of progressive jazz. If this site was to become prog music archives his addition would make alot more sense to me. (Not meaning to call out MD, its just thats easily the most prominent one in my eyes). There are others, but the argument is the same. Obviously it will take time to add all the artists but if you just set the agenda there will be many less problems (aside from people disagreeing about the agenda in the first place).
So, in summary, I agree and may even prefer that the site should consider becoming progressive music archives. But, in reality, I doubt that will ever happen, esp since the threads of that nature that occured in the past died quickly with litter discussion.
And of course we'd have to remove Queen, Led Zep, Tori Amos, Robert Plant, Styx, etc and I doubt that will happen either. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:05
Like the dust that gathers all around her, Bjork has found a new home.
I'm going to have to say this again, the site header says Prog Archives Your Ultimate Progressive Rock Resource, which to me does not exclude other progressive music, but rather defines our focus. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Paravion
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:12
:-) Prog is not real in a real sense. If you browse the site in the letter b section looking for an artist you are likely to overlook Björk..
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:18
------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:28
We have never censured or censored anyone for criticising the site or deleted any posts that they make in criticism of the site. Nor are we ever likely to.
The only time we take such action is when someone is infringement of the posting rules and guidelines - and 99 times out of 103 that will be for making any criticism personal and offensive towards another member.
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:38
Ok let me rephrase this. If someone goes to this website expecting to see what WE call prog and they see Bjork.Now they know that they do not like Bjork and since she is on the front page she must be prog! Said person then decided that Bjork is prog and prog must be terrible since Bjork is on classified as Progressive Rock (which she isn't). I suggest a move to Prog Related ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 17:38
Well I am 50 next July and have been into Prog for long enough to be entitled to an opinion on it. Not as old as thee but then again, who is..? The Who were influential on Prog; their conceptual approach, their song cycles, their extended musical passages and their playing have been mentioned by Prog bands and Prog musicians as having an impact on their music. Certainly someone new to The Who and is a fan of, say Tommy, might get something out of searching the database or at least being exposed it via a google search for the band, don't you think? A good "stepping-stone to Prog" band. Surely PG's Fleetwood Mac were just a sophisticated Blues band? Where's their influence on prog? Iron Maiden were highly influential to metal and to Prog Metal bands. They also have a penchant for extended epics etc that merit their inclusion here as a stepping stone band to "real" Prog. Metallica were highly influential on the Prog-Metal scene. If we have Prog-Metal here we must have their direct influences, as Metallica can't be Proto-prog because of the timing ( a small fault in site logic, I admit) then they can be in Prog-Related. Many cite them as being "progressive" in their genre, so again... Prog-Related is a tool to get people here and turn them onto Prog. Like x then maybe you might just like y....that's why the MP3s are so important too.  |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 18:08
| Yeah but hearing bjork aint gonna make u a proghead lol , u have more possibilities to become a hipster/indie rock kid than a progrock fan |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 18:09
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 18:37
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I'm pleased to see Bjork in PA. I thought her art pop approach rendered her considerable for Crossover, and had supported her for Prog Related before. I wouldn't describe her music as Prog, but then there's a lot of music at PA that I wouldn't call Prog and categories that I consider more Prog umbrella. I think she has a sufficient relation to music in the Progressive Electronic and Krautrock categories to be readily considerable. Though I wouldn't describe her as rock artist, she certainly has a musical relation to rock. There's a lot of music in PA that isn't really rock (listen to lots of Progressive Electronic artists, and various ones in Avant and some in Prog Folk etc.). I see progressive rock partially as being music that has some rock basis but has moved away from the rock canon, how much relation to rock music must the music have to be considerable? What are the limits of rock? I think it's quite common with various ones to draw the line at ones that are strictly acoustic, though we have some excellent acoustic-based, chamber music type acts in PA such as Aranis. Hey, Aranis plays Rock in Opposition festivals, and should, I believe be in PA, but I haven't heard people complaining about the general lack of rock in Aranis. I voted yes for Penguin Cafe Orchestra despite it lacking in rock. It's true that I have wanted to see PA move more in a progressive music, rather than progressive rock direction, but the site has moved that way already a lot. One day I hope to see Stockhausen and Xenakis included, even though I think a new category will be needed. I am more concerned about music not getting in than being included. There's a lot of music I thought PA worthy that never got accepted. Maybe one day we will have Morricone in Prog Related (not that I officially took that to PR but there wasn't much support -- others had also suggested him before me). That people get so upset about such additions bemuses me and I often wonder if they know the appropriate music by the artists they complain about or if they know music from the PA categories well enough to draw the proper associations (how that music related to other acts' music in PA). That I think Homogenic Live and Vespertine Live good albums to have in PA is not something I expect others to feel (If they know them). Different people have different parameters and expectations. If the Prog purists had had their way with this site, many bands and categories wouldn't have been included and this site would be very boring for the likes of me. Prog? This site's scope goes well beyond it, and I don't like to use the word Prog for a lot of music in PA and styles represented. It's an umbrella -- some think it should be opened wider, and others think the opposite. I'm for wider. If a member doesn't like an addition, so what? There are thousands of acts in PA to care about. It's not like the site belongs to us anyway. Anyway, I'd rather talk about Bjork in a Bjork appreciation thread (or maybe a Lars von Trier appreciation thread since I loved Dancer in the Dark and am bigger on von Trier than Bjork). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Xanatos
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 18:48
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Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 18:54
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Tsk. They'll be adding Muse next.
Oh wait.
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 18:56
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 07 2010 at 18:57
For me Prog is insufficent to express progressive. Prog seems much more at home being a shortened form of progressive rock. Call that just my perception but I'm fairly confident others have said something similar in the past.
And oh hey, look at what it says underneath prog archives. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |