revamp the genres

Something we were just discussing in the shred room, the current organization of sub-genres on PA leaves a lot to be desired. 

-experimental/post metal has just become a dumping ground for bands that don't quite fit into post/math rock, prog-metal, extreme/tech metal, or RIO/Avant.  Therefore, I propose experimental metal and post-metal become 2 separate sub-genres, and we add in another one, avant-metal. 

One result of this would be that people looking for post-metal bands can actually find them in the category, instead of digging through piles of progressive black metal bands, avant-garde bands, noise bands, etc.  We would also be able to move bands that don't quite belong in RIO/Avant (e.g. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Mr. Bungle) into Avant-metal; things like Diablo Swing Orchestra (whom we were having trouble categorizing some time ago) could go into experimental metal, as well as those black/folk/ethnic metal bands (Senmuth, Orphaned Land, Agalloch, etc.)

Then, there's the problem of artists that, due to their extensive discographies, defy categorization (I think the most well-known case would be Frank Zappa)...

(from the Shred Room, edited somewhat for content)

Triceratopsoil wrote: and, while we're undermining the entire genre structure on PA, we should change the name of eclectic prog to "I wish I was King Crimson - prog" or "We have prominent saxophone playing but aren't jazz -prog" or maybe simply "eccentric prog" and then put all the artists that vary release by release genre-wise (e.g. Zappa) into eclectic prog, which is now empty after moving all those other bands (of course some of them, the legitimately eclectic ones, will stay)

I fully don't expect this to get anywhere, but one can always dream


Edited by Triceratopsoil - November 20 2010 at 20:36

Not being on the inside I have no clue...
But we all hear about the epic PMT log jams and insane quantities of work.

There is one PMT that covers all, if I'm correct.
Maybe a Prog Metal team, one for experimental/post and one for tech/extreme would make the load easier.

Also I do like the idea of splitting experimental and post up.

Post metal IMHO is a fairly exclusive and specialized sub genre.

Triceratopsoil wrote: Triceratopsoil wrote: and, while we're undermining the entire genre structure on PA, we should change the name of eclectic prog to "I wish I was King Crimson - prog" or "We have prominent saxophone playing but aren't jazz -prog" or maybe simply "eccentric prog" and then put all the artists that vary release by release genre-wise (e.g. Zappa) into eclectic prog, which is now empty after moving all those other bands (of course some of them, the legitimately eclectic ones, will stay)

Triceratopsoil wrote: oh, and they should get rid of prog related

I really don't feel like this site needs more metal subgenres.

[QUOTE=JJLehto] [QUOTE=Triceratopsoil] oh, and they should get rid of prog related



I never understood the purpose of this either, to be honest. For me the logic behind this seems a little flawed. If a member of prog band makes a pop music album, then the music is not prog related, the artist is (kind of) . Therefore the genre does not describe the music.

I mean, Metallica and Queen on PA?

If cut down of genres is needed then this should be the one to go, imho.

You guys have nothing better to do then disrespect others work?
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That was not the point of course.

Oliverum wrote: [QUOTE=JJLehto] [QUOTE=Triceratopsoil] oh, and they should get rid of prog related I never understood the purpose of this either, to be honest. For me the logic behind this seems a little flawed. If a member of prog band makes a pop music album, then the music is not prog related, the artist is (kind of) . Therefore the genre does not describe the music. I mean, Metallica and Queen on PA? If cut down of genres is needed then this should be the one to go, imho.

Textbook wrote: I agree that this needs to be done. My biggest problem is that Italy is a genre which has never made the slightest bit of sense to me.

I disagree, I suppose, because I consider "Berlin school" a more appropriate name for what we pass of as Progressive Electronic here. Makes more sense than not including Aphex Twin.

How about these categories: