Zeuhl vs. Krautrock

I like Krautrock, but Zeuhl has my vote.

One very unique and groundbreaking band with a legion of efficient imitators against a whole scene of some of the most original bands in prog? No comparison, Krautrock.

Krautrock is way more important, but I prefer Zeuhl.

They are very close, but zeuhl has some more jazz/classic influences inside.

friso wrote: ... it's an extremely professional art that has expanded music as much as the collective of the Krautrock movement. .

Professional ofcourse, but are you serious with the expanded music?
What bands/music did Zeuhl influence, except their followers on PA?

With Kraut we have to list about half of all European music since the 80s:
new wave (PIL,Tuxedo Moon,Siouxsie, Nick Cave,...),
synth pop (Depeche Mode, Gary Numan,...),
industrial rock (Coil, Neubauten, Foetus,..),
indie rock (Sonic Youth and their hundreds of followers),
trip hop (Tricky,..),
90s dance scene ( Underworld, Orb, ...)

and i'm probably forgetting a couple now.

Bonnek wrote: friso wrote: ... it's an extremely professional art that has expanded music as much as the collective of the Krautrock movement. . Professional ofcourse, but are you serious with the expanded music?What bands/music did Zeuhl influence, except their followers on PA?With Kraut we have to list about half of all European music since the 80s: new wave (PIL,Tuxedo Moon,Siouxsie, Nick Cave,...), synth pop (Depeche Mode, Gary Numan,...), industrial rock (Coil, Neubauten, Foetus,..), indie rock (Sonic Youth and their hundreds of followers), trip hop (Tricky,..),90s dance scene ( Underworld, Orb, ...)and i'm probably forgetting a couple now.

I'm not talking about how many music was influenced. One should not expect that extremely experimental (and perhaps even unlikable for many) music influences a lot of other musicians. I'm talking about the amount of exploration of what music is possible. Artistic exploration. And, when looking from that point of view, I can say Zeuhl is at least as good as the whole krautrock movement.

But you're absolutely wright in the krautrock movement having reached and influenced far more people in perhaps fore more ways.

Bonnek wrote: But it's no fair comparison, it's comparing a style (Zeuhl) against a whole movement that hosts dozens of styles.

you're right! and this movement has created lots of sh*t! well whatever- my vote goes to Zeuhl.

Dang my vote for Krautrock still leaves it a point behind!   The band "Can" alone would have me voting for Krautrock.   Their innovations, coupled with just how groovey the music is, can't be beat.

I can understand why those who love the tecknical aspects of music fawn over zeuhl, and that it has some ideas to offer... but Im a person who likes music to represent an ambience of what I am feeling or to set a mood that I want to feel at the time.  The variety offered by Krautrock is astonishing.  Also, Krautrock is the only genre/movement that I have listened to where you can literally hear the (better) musicians think 'i wonder what happens when i press this button or play that chord over this progression...' etc. 

Well Krautrock has a lot of blame at it's door with synth pop etc. Hate to lay that at the door of the fantastic Can. So is this Magma v Can? If anyone gets hold of "field" recordings of either band there is a lot of fascinating re-arrangements of Magma classic and Can can be utterly spellbinding. Of course with the sadly deceased (and very underrated IMHO) Michael Karoli frying er, flying up and down the fret board... infact Can in 76 and 77 and Magma at the same time put out, er, performed concerts that make many modern bands sound like ... Culture Club.

Go for the best releases the genres and their representatives can give you. It's not really Us and Them. Matter of fact it's all of us really...