Zeuhl vs. Krautrock
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Topic: Zeuhl vs. Krautrock
Posted By: Anthony H.
Subject: Zeuhl vs. Krautrock
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 11:18
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Which of these sub-genres do you prefer? My vote goes to Zeuhl by an enormous margin.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 11:40
| Zeuhl gives me one of my top three greatest favourites (Magma), but I think that Krautrock as a genre is stronger and more important. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 11:48
Same, except a couple of my top 5 instead of one of my top three (Magma, Ruins). ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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harmonium.ro wrote:Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:03
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I prefer Krautrock, even though I can't say any of the sub-genres are favourites. Both could be considered to be difficult and idiosyncratic sub-genres, but Krautrock has a wider spectrum of sounds, often a hypnotizing and addictive grooviness to it, as well as that lovely exploring and curious outlook on music and sound (more so than other prog, I'd say). The fact that it's charmingly playful at times is an extra bonus. |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:20
| Haven't heard a lot of bands of either both sub genres, but judging from what I have heard, my vote goes to Krautrock |
Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:24
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[zeuhl shriek] STOOOAHH [/zeuhl shriek]
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:37
Well, it's been some time since your tastes got ruined  |
Posted By: Jazzywoman
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:38
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I personally like ALOT of Krautrock artists, and only like...one Zeuhl artist. Thats just me, of course, but I think Krautrock is much groovier and easier for me to get into. ------------- 
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:50
Really? I mean...I've loved Krautrock longer than I've loved Zeuhl. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:57
exactly this. Also, Krautrock give me another of my top 3 greatest favourites... |
Posted By: Nathaniel607
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:58
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Well, I need to listen to more from both genres, but I'll have to go with Zeuhl. I don't think I understand Krautrock entirely. I've heard quite a lot I like for Can and Neu, etc. But a lot of it just seems to meander meaninglessly... I really like Magma, Ruins, and that Japanese one whose name I really can't be bothered to commit to memory... Kiliabajaqwath or something :D. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Nathaniel607" rel="nofollow - My Last FM Profile 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 12:59
Can? |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 13:05
well, really, depending on my mood, either Can or Faust |
Posted By: chrijom
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 13:33
too close to call, Zeuhl has Magma, but there are lots of Krautrock artists I appreciate, not sure I can separate my vote for this one. 
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 13:41
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Apart from a few albums by Magma my knowledge of both is extremely minimal. So far. I'm equally interested in both, no vote. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 13:43
| I like Zeuhl.But I voted Krautrock.It's more important(like Alex said). |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 13:47
| I agree with many comments above: zeuhl was extremely interesting experimental genre when it was invented by Magma, and during decades it influenced few more good bands. Krautrock was huge musical genre in early 70-s with very different trends and directions then and later. Krautrock importance is much higher |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 14:10
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Krautrock is probably of more importance, but personally I feel far more attracted to Zeuhl. ------------- 
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 16:03
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How can I compare 1 band (with a couple of followers) to a movement with hundreds of bands, all with their own distinct style? A poll of Magma against Can might have me think for a second... and the I'd still go with the Can. |
Posted By: halfmanhalfcrab
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 16:33
| KRAUTROCK! |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 17:05
| I've voted for Zeuhl. I don't think Krautrock can be called 'more important' then Zeuhl. Zeuhl doesn't have as many listeners, but it's an extremely professional art that has expanded music as much as the collective of the Krautrock movement. Zeuhl is like another league of music. |
Posted By: Tychovski
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 17:22
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I like Krautrock, but Zeuhl has my vote. ------------- Everyone knows rock attained perfection in 1974, it's a scientific fact. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 17:28
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I like Zeuhl, but i love Krautrock! ------------- 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 20:10
| One very unique and groundbreaking band with a legion of efficient imitators against a whole scene of some of the most original bands in prog? No comparison, Krautrock. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 20:39
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Zeuhl...easy peasy. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 21:25
| Krautrock is way more important, but I prefer Zeuhl. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 28 2010 at 22:22
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Not an easy question to answer but i have to say Zeuhl even though i probably have about 50 more Krautrock albums than Zeuhl records.Still i've given more 5 star ratings to the Zeuhl genre overall. A tough choice regardless as i love both. Listening to a band called GOLEM right now that is a great example as to why i like Krautrock so much. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 00:20
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They are very close, but zeuhl has some more jazz/classic influences inside. ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 01:18
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Love both but, by a hair, my vote goes to Krautrock. I can listen to it ANYtime and always love it, while Zeuhl...well I am not in the mood for it 100% of the time. |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 01:30
Professional ofcourse, but are you serious with the expanded music? What bands/music did Zeuhl influence, except their followers on PA? With Kraut we have to list about half of all European music since the 80s: new wave (PIL,Tuxedo Moon,Siouxsie, Nick Cave,...), synth pop (Depeche Mode, Gary Numan,...), industrial rock (Coil, Neubauten, Foetus,..), indie rock (Sonic Youth and their hundreds of followers), trip hop (Tricky,..), 90s dance scene ( Underworld, Orb, ...) and i'm probably forgetting a couple now. |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 03:25
Classic-yes, jazz (fusion) - no way. Early krautrock IS in fact in big part psychedelic jazz-rock itself. Magma's two first albums still have jazz fusion elements. There are a few zeuhl bands of more modern generation where you can hear serious jazz influence. |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 03:52
I'm not talking about how many music was influenced. One should not expect that extremely experimental (and perhaps even unlikable for many) music influences a lot of other musicians. I'm talking about the amount of exploration of what music is possible. Artistic exploration. And, when looking from that point of view, I can say Zeuhl is at least as good as the whole krautrock movement. But you're absolutely wright in the krautrock movement having reached and influenced far more people in perhaps fore more ways. |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 06:46
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Then I'd say the amount of exploration is far higher in Kraut  But it's no fair comparison, it's comparing a style (Zeuhl) against a whole movement that hosts dozens of styles. |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 07:55
you're right! and this movement has created lots of sh*t! well whatever- my vote goes to Zeuhl. |
Posted By: Languagegeek
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 14:38
| I wouldn't want to live without either. Yeah there's some pretty average bands in both camps, but the paragons of each genre are brilliant. |
Posted By: akajazzman
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 14:53
| Dang my vote for Krautrock still leaves it a point behind! The band "Can" alone would have me voting for Krautrock. Their innovations, coupled with just how groovey the music is, can't be beat. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 29 2010 at 14:56
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Krautrock by some margin.
points are even! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: edible_buddha
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 00:43
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I can understand why those who love the tecknical aspects of music fawn over zeuhl, and that it has some ideas to offer... but Im a person who likes music to represent an ambience of what I am feeling or to set a mood that I want to feel at the time. The variety offered by Krautrock is astonishing. Also, Krautrock is the only genre/movement that I have listened to where you can literally hear the (better) musicians think 'i wonder what happens when i press this button or play that chord over this progression...' etc.
Yes, both Kraut and Zeuhl have a great deal of crap, either because the musos playing dont understand the significance to what they are doing, or that they are simply bad players, but the good artists are the ones that we have in our record/CD collections.
PS, for the one who was unsure about the name of the Japanese Zeuhl band...... Its Koenjihyakkei... And yes, there pretty fine to listen to, especially if you want the kick start without the caffeine... ------------- I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long. |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: December 01 2010 at 00:57
Been listening to Tago Mago a few times since this message, and all I can say is  I'll get Ege Bamyasi from the library tomorrow.------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: December 04 2010 at 02:42
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Well Krautrock has a lot of blame at it's door with synth pop etc. Hate to lay that at the door of the fantastic Can. So is this Magma v Can? If anyone gets hold of "field" recordings of either band there is a lot of fascinating re-arrangements of Magma classic and Can can be utterly spellbinding. Of course with the sadly deceased (and very underrated IMHO) Michael Karoli frying er, flying up and down the fret board... infact Can in 76 and 77 and Magma at the same time put out, er, performed concerts that make many modern bands sound like ... Culture Club. Go for the best releases the genres and their representatives can give you. It's not really Us and Them. Matter of fact it's all of us really... |
Posted By: MonsterMagnet
Date Posted: December 04 2010 at 05:28
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There is among the very best bands in the zeuhl genre but it's a small category. The krautrock contains in its entirety more than that.
No vote then |