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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:


Now, some weird thing... I really dislike growing, but for some reason I love "Careful with that axe, Eugene" by Pink Floyd.
There's a big difference, I think, in screaming for effect and growling words to sound menacing. I find Opeth hilarious, but I like this song, except for the retching part.
Why? I don't know. 
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Points: 10063 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 26 2010 at 03:45
Can't tolerate them either, in case someone dare ask.Clown

How about Death Metal Burps?? Anybody up for it?WinkLOL




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Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ I do like both Epica and After Forever, but would like them even better if they didn't growl. As a matter of fact, I choose the songs I like from those without growling for my repeated listenings.

Now, some weird thing... I really dislike growing, but for some reason I love "Careful with that axe, Eugene" by Pink Floyd.

That's screaming. 


Well, now, as long as we're splitting hairs ... LOL
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I prefer clean vocals.
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This almost qualifies as a Trollin' Poll. :(

Anyhow, I like both, but there's a time and a place for each, and the key to using death growls or, equally, clean vocals in metal is to know when to use them. It's like asking whether you prefer a mandolin or an acoustic guitar.
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Careful With That Axe is Screamo, not growling...
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Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

but I like this song, except for the retching part.
 
 

Which part was the retching part?? LOL
 
This guy must have krapped his pants 14times while doing this.....or simply blew up.
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Hi,
 
It depends on the work itself.
 
There is no reason for any of us to think that growls don't have their place in music, and that some folks can sing really well right through it. One can listen to Joe Cocker, or even catch Roger Chapman singing "Gypsy Moon" and then belting out "Chili Con Carne" or something else ...
 
In the end, it's not about the growl or the clean vocal ... it's about how it gets used, and that IS what "progressive" music is all about.
 
If I may ask, and this is totally weird to me ... progressive music was, AND IS, about breaking the traditions and creating new sounds and new voices and new music ... and why, WHY, are we trying to change things to a commercial aspect in music ... that has a lot less to do with its conception and vision, than it does the listener's desire and idea?
 
In the end, it's about the totality of it all ... or all you turkeys would have said a long time ago that Peter Hammill can't sing at all ... ! What's more ... he could careless what you think about his own voice and decisions on how to use it! That's the artist's prorogative ... not jail sentence!
 
Hard to believe some of these posts ... and how much we really do not respect music and expression, regardless of style.
 
It's sad! Really and totally sad!


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^ Someone not liking growlers is not sad. Just a question of preference.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ Someone not liking growlers is not sad. Just a question of preference.
 
Agreed ... but as long as you don't go around saying that is what music should be! Which distorts the definition of music that has been for the past 60 to 70 years more than anything else.
 
In the end, a growler or a clean vocal doesn't mean sheepdip if it is all it is ... and has little music behind it, and we can call it "metal", or something else.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ Someone not liking growlers is not sad. Just a question of preference.
 
Agreed ... but as long as you don't go around saying that is what music should be! Which distorts the definition of music that has been for the past 60 to 70 years more than anything else.
 
In the end, a growler or a clean vocal doesn't mean sheepdip if it is all it is ... and has little music behind it, and we can call it "metal", or something else.
That's why I said as long as you represent your reasons why you don't like something with respect, there is no problem NOT liking an artist or style of music or whatever.
If someone simply states.."hate it" with no reasons why, then I generally don't pay attention.
 
Tell me why you don't like something......then I can understand better without making my own judgements.
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You're allowed to dislike death growls. But the endless, mindless bashing gets tiresome.
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Never really got the 'cookie monster' thing, just can't take it seriously.  
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Growls are another colour on the palette of music and can be used for their own wonderful effects.

I also don't understand the need to hear the lyrics. Words are an entirely different medium to music, though their sounds can be used as the most timeless instrument (notably by Jon Anderson, who was often more interested in the sound words made than their meaning). Just google the title of a song + "lyrics" if you want to see what they're saying.
 
To be quite honest I find it hard to understand what clean vocalists are saying a lot of the time as well.
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Originally posted by rod65 rod65 wrote:


Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:


Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ I do like both Epica and After Forever, but would like them even better if they didn't growl. As a matter of fact, I choose the songs I like from those without growling for my repeated listenings.

Now, some weird thing... I really dislike growing, but for some reason I love "Careful with that axe, Eugene" by Pink Floyd.

That's screaming. 
Well, now, as long as we're splitting hairs ... LOL


Ofcourse I know Careful with that Axe is not growling, but screaming. However, I guess it's somewhat a similar thing, I mean, surely someone not used to either would easily be turned away by either. However, I do like Carful with that Axe a lot (including the scream), while I find it difficult to tolerate growlings within songs. I guess that if a whole sub-genre of music had been created with such screams as those of Careful in just about every song, I would really get to hate that genre, but as a one song thing, I find it really cool.
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Originally posted by chrijom chrijom wrote:

Never really got the 'cookie monster' thing, just can't take it seriously.  
You can start by not calling it "cookie monster" Stern Smile
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Originally posted by JayDee JayDee wrote:

Pig squeals anyone? Pig


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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by chrijom chrijom wrote:

Never really got the 'cookie monster' thing, just can't take it seriously.  
You can start by not calling it "cookie monster" Stern Smile

I do so hate that term.
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