The worst of the worst

My review of Camera Camera... http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=294851

octopus-4 wrote: Is it really worse than Camera Camera ? I'm surprised that it has just one vote.

no need to elaborate argue guys, the album just sucks. 

octopus-4 wrote: Anthony wrote: octopus-4 wrote: Anthony wrote: 40footwolf wrote: Whoa whoa whoa! What's with all the hate for The Final Cut? 1. It lacks melody 2 Roger Waters can't sing 3 It's not a Pink Floyd-album 4 Does he HAVE to tell us how bad the world is over and over again? Has he got so little inspiration that he can't write about anything else? 5 Where's David Gilmour? He IS the better singer! 6 It's an uninspired thing to pick songs which were thrown into the bin during the recording of "The Wall" because they weren't good enough. 7 Where's Rick Wright? He too is a better singer. 8 Where's Nick Mason.... oh, forget this one, he's not a singer and is not a good drummer anyway. 9 It may be progressive, but where's the ROCK?? Only "Not now John" is there to kick you out of the coma this album gives to you, but by then the album is (thank God) almost over. so all in all: it's just a Roger Waters solo album, and Waters only cares for his lyrics and not for good music. Well, I don't care for good lyrics if the music is bad, but I'm more forgiving if the music is excellent and the lyrics are so-so. Give me "On the turning away", "Learning to fly", "High hopes", "A great day for freedom" etc. etc. anytime over this crap.   Simply my opinions about youy points (I have started this poll so I'm feeling guilty for the poor TFC).. 1) Two Suns in the Sunset and The Gunner's Dream don't lack melody Imho. 2) I can agree about Waters' singing skills, but the worst song of the album is sung by Gilmour  3) It's a Pink Floyd album made of songs discarded from Animals and The Wall. It lacks the keyboards of Rick Wright and this is its weakness. 4) Remember that when it has been written UK were fighting against Argentina in the Falklands, the Iron Lady was Prime Minister and the British welfare was cancelled. It was the yuppies' age so reminding people about bad things happening was not so useless actually. 5) David Gilmour sings on Not Now John (point 2). I don't know if he was thinking to Waters when he was crying "f**k all that"  6) Partially right, but some songs were ready since before Animals. When Waters came to studio for the new album after the Wall he had two projects ready: TFC and Pros and Cons. The band choosed the first. 7) Rick was sent out of the band during the recording of The Wall. He took part to the tour as additional musician and not as part of the band. So he's the only person who earned some money from that disastrous tour. 8) Nick Mason was there as always. 9) Where is rock in a masterpiece like Tangerine Dreams' Zeit ?  Said so, I think it's the worst Pink Floyd album, but it's still better than many other bands' masterpieces.  Instead of worst I could better say "less good". You're wrong about point 6. Waters let the band choose in 1978 between "The Wall" and "Pros and cons". There was no way that David and Nick could choose for another album than "The Final Cut". Waters even set a deadline for that album to be finished, knowing that slow worker David Gilmour wouldn't have enough time to come up with better songs himself. Point 8: Yes, Nick may be there (except for "Two suns"), but you hear much less drums than on any other Floyd album. Very much the same for point 5: Yes, Gilmour's voice is there, but only for half a song, the rest is just Waters either whispering or screaming, but never singing. Point 9: I don't know, I don't listen to Tangerine Dream ... but if it lacks rock, then I don't know if I will like it. Then again, one would probably not expect any rock from Tangerine Dream, but I certainly expect some rock on a Pink Floyd album. The story about point 6 is taken from two books: "Pigs might fly" and an italian book recently released: "The Lunatics" which is a critical edition of all the PF lyrics. On Pigs Might Fly the author says that Gilmour commented about Final Cut "If those songs didn't work for The Wall why should they work on a new album?"

All this hate for The Division Bell!  I guess this highlights my previous statement...I love The Division Bell, easily in my top three Floyd albums.

Pink Floyd is a band with three Pied Pipers.  I choose to follow Gilmour more often than not.  Even on the heavily dominated Waters albums (Animals in particular) Gilmour remains my chief emotional connexion with the band.  I'm also willing to let Syd guide me down a rabbit hole now and then.  But Waters...meh.  Love some of his songwriting, hate his attitude.

Gilmour is a fine Guitarist but Composer he is Not.  Now Mr waters damn fine Composer and damn good Lyricist .  Final Cut really was Floyds Final Cut .

I really don't get all the hate for the Final Cut to my ears damn fine album full of really good Compositions and well produced to.


Edited by Hawkwise - November 03 2010 at 06:55

Hawkwise wrote: Division  Bell  terrible boring album   just trying make Wish you were here all over again only good moments on that album are Ricks .  song writing on that album is really not  that good and its to long .. oh Ok High Hopes is a good enough tune but that's about it.

Division  Bell  terrible boring album   just trying make Wish you were here all over again only good moments on that album are Ricks .

 song writing on that album is really not  that good and its to long ..


oh Ok High Hopes is a good enough tune but that's about it.



Edited by Hawkwise - November 03 2010 at 06:31

Anthony wrote: 40footwolf wrote: Whoa whoa whoa! What's with all the hate for The Final Cut? 1. It lacks melody 2 Roger Waters can't sing 3 It's not a Pink Floyd-album 4 Does he HAVE to tell us how bad the world is over and over again? Has he got so little inspiration that he can't write about anything else? 5 Where's David Gilmour? He IS the better singer! 6 It's an uninspired thing to pick songs which were thrown into the bin during the recording of "The Wall" because they weren't good enough. 7 Where's Rick Wright? He too is a better singer. 8 Where's Nick Mason.... oh, forget this one, he's not a singer and is not a good drummer anyway. 9 It may be progressive, but where's the ROCK?? Only "Not now John" is there to kick you out of the coma this album gives to you, but by then the album is (thank God) almost over. so all in all: it's just a Roger Waters solo album, and Waters only cares for his lyrics and not for good music. Well, I don't care for good lyrics if the music is bad, but I'm more forgiving if the music is excellent and the lyrics are so-so. Give me "On the turning away", "Learning to fly", "High hopes", "A great day for freedom" etc. etc. anytime over this crap.

Hawkwise wrote: If the Final Cut is a Waters solo album then Momentary  Lapse of Reason is a David Gilmour Solo album. In fact the Final Cut really was the final cut because after that the Floyd really where just the David Gilmour Band who didnt make a Decent album until  On a Island .