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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 09:35
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Eli needs to stop throwing these high passes. I mean tips for picks happen but this many??
 
 
If his last name weren't Manning he wouldn't be a starting QB is this league.  He's never had the brain for the game or the arm to make up for the lack of brain matter.
 
As for the Giants being unstoppable: maybe in the NFC.  If they played in the AFC they'd have a losing record and would probably be the 10th-12th best team.  They certainly have a good shot at making the Super Bowl based on how the NFC collectively looks this year.
 
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Tony Romo a broken collarbone.  Out 6-8 weeks. Will the Cowboys be mathematically eliminated before he returns?
 
 
I'm pretty sure they are eliminated at this point.  Especially when you consider they in the only division in the NFC that has 3 teams with the ability to field winning-regular-season records  (that's not saying they are all good, just able to beat other NFC teams).


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 10:28
They're not even unstoppable to the NFC. They almost let John Kitna lead a top-heavy, depthless, self-destructing Cowboys team with no O-line 4th quarter comeback against them.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 12:39
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

They're not even unstoppable to the NFC. They almost let John Kitna lead a top-heavy, depthless, self-destructing Cowboys team with no O-line 4th quarter comeback against them.


 
 
Looks like the Falcons might be the best team in the NFC, yeesh


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 14:06
I don't know about that. A pair of their wins are losses 99% those games are played. Plus the Eagles absolutely destroyed them

I think there are like 5 equally mediocre teams in the NFC which we would have to call "the best".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 14:10
The Lions are the beast of the NFC.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 16:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 17:55
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Eli needs to stop throwing these high passes. I mean tips for picks happen but this many??
 
 
If his last name weren't Manning he wouldn't be a starting QB is this league.  He's never had the brain for the game or the arm to make up for the lack of brain matter.
 
As for the Giants being unstoppable: maybe in the NFC.  If they played in the AFC they'd have a losing record and would probably be the 10th-12th best team.  They certainly have a good shot at making the Super Bowl based on how the NFC collectively looks this year.
 


Well, that's a downright lie (or you don't really follow closely which is understandable) but Eli is a fine QB. He was inconsistent but improved every year and finally did become consistent the last few seasons.

He's also a superb game manager and does just enough, and when needed can open it up (though thats not how the Giants are built).
He's accurate (sorry to break it to you but he is) is smart, surprisingly elusive under pressure, and when he runs a no huddle offense he's almost always flawless.

Lower end top 10 QB that doesn't get the credit he deserves because of the Giants offense and because he never makes any noise, good or bad. Just does his job.
Same with Coughlin which is also why I think NYC metro is so fickle with him.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 17:59
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Eli needs to stop throwing these high passes. I mean tips for picks happen but this many??
 
 
If his last name weren't Manning he wouldn't be a starting QB is this league.  He's never had the brain for the game or the arm to make up for the lack of brain matter.
 
As for the Giants being unstoppable: maybe in the NFC.  If they played in the AFC they'd have a losing record and would probably be the 10th-12th best team.  They certainly have a good shot at making the Super Bowl based on how the NFC collectively looks this year.
 


Well, that's a downright lie (or you don't really follow closely which is understandable) but Eli is a fine QB. He was inconsistent but improved every year and finally did become consistent the last few seasons.

He's also a superb game manager and does just enough, and when needed can open it up (though thats not how the Giants are built).
He's accurate (sorry to break it to you but he is) is smart, surprisingly elusive under pressure, and when he runs a no huddle offense he's almost always flawless.

Lower end top 10 QB that doesn't get the credit he deserves because of the Giants offense and because he never makes any noise, good or bad. Just does his job.
Same with Coughlin which is also why I think NYC metro is so fickle with him.

 
 
We'll just have to agree to disagree about Eli.  I've never been impressed watching him, he throws one of the wobbliest balls in the game, and he's death to own on a fantasy team (not that that matters much). 
 
I agree about Coughlin, though.  He is an underrated coach.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 18:00
As for unstoppable, they certainly have the ability to do so.

Defense has been great against the run (and played some good running teams) they are getting pressure, they are playing like that 07/08 defense. Offense is running the ball well and have a young trio of receivers that are great.
It ALL hinges on the ability to cut all the sloppy play.

Sloppy play cost them a win against the Titans, kept the Lions close, and the defense fell asleep against Dallas at the end. This combined with the TOO conservative play calling, bad coaching decisions and Eli forcing the ball is all unacceptable.

Anton you should know best of all how this goes: The Giants NEVER make it easy, but they win.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 18:05
Its all game management. When Eli tries to do too much (Texans, Titans come to mind strongly) things go badly.
Remember that no huddle drive during the SB? Eli always plays like that, he is calm, smart and deadly accurate. But if the team is rolling well (like against the Texans) he gets forcey with the ball. It's a problem I'll admit, he can not play more then is needed.
And I will grant, this year is perplexing. His decision making and physical throwing has vastly improved, what's gone wrong this year is beyond me and he needs to knock it off.

I love Coughlin. Great coach, seems to just make teams win, and his style pisses off veterans...but he did a great job with a lot of youth during his time with the Giants.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 18:26
I'm bored.

Just for kicks.
IMHO the top 5 QBs in the NFL right now (and im talking physical skill here) are
Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rivers (Peyton # 1 after that no real order)

Rounding out the top 10 are Big Ben, Scaub, Eli, Flacco and Ryan (those 2 still developing).

Carson Palmer seems to have honestly just fallen, and I am still not 100% on how I feel about Romo.
Favre is obviously too beat up, and Cutler is just flat out over rated.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 19:47
If you are talking physical skill then it'd put Big Ben, Rivers, Rodgers ahead of Brady and all those and maybe a few more ahead of Peyton.  Peyton couldn't move out of the pocket to save his life and Brady is a dump pass/screen QB that happened to be aided by knowing opponents defenses in advance most of his career.  Even an uninjured Favre is still a more athletic option than Peyton, as well.
 
It'd be hard for me to rank active QBs overall but Brees, Big Ben, and Peyton would be up towards the top.  Favre is the onyl active QB that could have a ligit claim to a "Top 5 All-time" spot but that seems to be fading.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 21:00
Oh that was in no order, I wasn't saying Brady was 2nd best...just 2nd that came to mind.
I look at his earlier days as a sign of his skill.
Because yeah 2007 on Tom Brady is pretty much junk as anyone can play that offense.

And the fact the Colts have such an unbalanced (and simple) offense yet is still unstoppable really speaks to Peyton's skill IMO. Of course athleticism is great and is a major plus but it doesn't play too big for me. Especially in Peyton's case where he can pretty much be a statue and still get away with it.

And let's face it, take the Colts and remove Peyton. With the exception of maybe Brees no one could make it work like he does.

I didn't mean physical skill as athleticism actually, I mean more their overall QB skills and not their system.
Which randomly reminds me: Screw Tim Tebow LOL


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2010 at 21:34
Also, one thing makes me very happy

Ahmad Bradshaw leading the NFL in rushing yards.
Averaging 5.3 YAC and 101.1 yards per game.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2010 at 15:34
Nice job by the 49ers...take one from Denver in London....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2010 at 20:15
Patriots KO Favre.....what a shock....you could see the little birds flying around his head as they drove him off on the cart...LOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2010 at 20:16
Ha! Raiders win two in a row for the first time in 3 years!  And convincingly.  They held a 4-2 Seattle team to 160 yards of offense while racking up over 500 for the second week in a row.  DMac is unbelievable! In 5 games he has 668 yards on 124 rushes.  That is a 5.4 per carry avg and 111 per game.  All that considering the game he was hurt in he only had 47 yards on 12 carried. 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2010 at 22:23
The Raiders have had players...
They finally have more and MAYBE just maybe they have managed to assemble a team and not just a bunch of guys playing.

And yeah, its almost sad seeing Favre now. This comeback was just one too many. Due to this and the surprising play of his back up in the game maybe the streak is over. And talk about distraction, this Favre mess is laughable.

Also, turned on the game just to see the Saints up and right when I flipped to the game, saw the Steelers TE pretty much shoveling the ball to a Saint defender LOL
And even at this point in the game the Saitns are blitzing. Gotta love it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2010 at 22:23
Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Ha! Raiders win two in a row for the first time in 3 years!  And convincingly.  They held a 4-2 Seattle team to 160 yards of offense while racking up over 500 for the second week in a row.  DMac is unbelievable! In 5 games he has 668 yards on 124 rushes.  That is a 5.4 per carry avg and 111 per game.  All that considering the game he was hurt in he only had 47 yards on 12 carried. 
 
Seahawks apparently forgot they had a game to play today.  Gotta say, Raiders are a different team this year.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 31 2010 at 22:32
This is why I do like the Saints. I really don't think their defense is one of the best, but they make up for it with pressure and turnovers, especially when it matters.

Anyway:
Looks like Denver continues to fail
The Pack beat the Jets 9 - 0??
Detroit tops the "improving" redskins lol

I actually thought with Kitna at the helm the Cowboys may turn it around. Besides his rust, he's not BAD and has a lot of weapons. Maybe the change (and one to a not flashy player) would do Dallas some good.
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Mainly since their defense sucks



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