Torman Maxt

JLocke wrote: Snow Dog wrote: JLocke wrote: Epignosis wrote: By the way, based on your review, you missed the major, most important theme of the Job story (but from what I can tell, so did Torman Maxt).   I'm an Atheist, Robert. What do you expect me to think about the Job story?  Well even atheists can know about the bible and study it. In fact it's better they do know a bit. People who believe in God should know the bible too.....but not all do. Actually even though a non believer myself this albums lyrics don't bother me. It isn't preaching or giving a message to believe. It's a story from the bible....thats all. Other albums have fantasy themes too! I was a Christian for many years. I think I know a thing or two about it.

JLocke wrote: Snow Dog wrote: JLocke wrote: Snow Dog wrote: JLocke wrote: Epignosis wrote: By the way, based on your review, you missed the major, most important theme of the Job story (but from what I can tell, so did Torman Maxt).   I'm an Atheist, Robert. What do you expect me to think about the Job story?  Well even atheists can know about the bible and study it. In fact it's better they do know a bit. People who believe in God should know the bible too.....but not all do. Actually even though a non believer myself this albums lyrics don't bother me. It isn't preaching or giving a message to believe. It's a story from the bible....thats all. Other albums have fantasy themes too! I was a Christian for many years. I think I know a thing or two about it.  Well your post suggested otherwise. How? That because I'm an Atheist, my natural reaction to the Job story is negative?

akin wrote: I think PA should make an exception and remove Torman Maxt from the database.

 It was just a suggestion. 

I gave a 3-star review, but if they were removed, that would not be so bad, after all all the controversy would be gone.

About the 1-star reviews, I feel that many reviewers would instead give a 2-star rating if there wasn´t the controversy. That would still mean the album is not good

Don't worry I may balance it the other way with a three star review. 

CCVP wrote:   Why do I even care anymore, it is not even about the music, it is about simply bashing the guys, no matter if they put out another Dark Side combined with Court, Per un Amico and Thick as a Brick.

CCVP wrote: JLocke wrote: Wow. This has hit me just a little while ago, but I really feel like a jerk all of a sudden. I don't hate the guys in Torman Maxt, and I wish them all the success they can get. The music just doesn't speak to me. At all. I really hope I haven't hurt anybody personally over what I said in those reviews.  That would really work now. One forum post can obviously redeem you for bashing their music in reviews that were published on the front page of the site + are permanently placed in the band's page/albums. Why do I even care anymore, it is not even about the music, it is about simply bashing the guys, no matter if they put out another Dark Side combined with Court, Per un Amico and Thick as a Brick.

CCVP wrote: JLocke wrote: Wow. This has hit me just a little while ago, but I really feel like a jerk all of a sudden. I don't hate the guys in Torman Maxt, and I wish them all the success they can get. The music just doesn't speak to me. At all. I really hope I haven't hurt anybody personally over what I said in those reviews.  That would really work now. One forum post can obviously redeem you for bashing their music in reviews that were published on the front page of the site + are permanently placed in the band's page/albums. Why do I even care anymore, it is not even about the music, it is about simply bashing the guys, no matter if they put out another Dark Side combined with Court, Per un Amico and Thick as a Brick.

Sorry Caio, but it IS about the music. It's not about the bashing.

I've said at least a dozen times that I RATE BASED ON MY OWN OPINION, NOT THE OPINION OF OTHERS. Thus, no bashing came from my part (Or Ivan's, or Jonas', or most other people). Their other albums are awful as well IMO, and that's why I don't intend on reviewing them.

I'll quote a couple of the posts where I've clearly already stated why it is about the music, and I have no intention of bashing innocent people...

Tony seems like a nice guy, even though I completely disagree with his stance on the reviewers here. I wasn't even a member of this website when all the controversy happened, yet I gave it 1 star. I rate based on how much I like the music, not on how popular the album is. I know many of the other reviewers who gave 1 and 2 star reviews, and they feel the same way...

But you have to understand that that's an opinion, not a fact. I think it's every bit as bad as it's portrayed here, and some people like you don't. I also write for Sea of Tranquility, which gave a positive review, and I still hate the album. People give Foxtrot, Images & Words, and Close to the Edge 1 star reviews. It's all based on personal opinion, not whether or not other people like it.   For example, check out my review of Pain of Salvation's Scarsick. If I remember correctly, I am the ONLY collaborator on PA to give that album a 5 star review. I don't give a sh*t what other people think, and I don't care how scientists think my mind works.   Of course, there is some truth to what you've said, but it's not the complete superlative statement that you make it seem. I can't speak for everyone, but my opinion is rarely, if ever influenced by what others think, especially when it comes to reviewing.

It's a pretty simple concept: I checked out the album because it was free, I enjoy concept albums, and the samples sounded OK. I like heavy prog rock, and quite frankly, I went into the album expecting much better than what it turned out to be. I was proven wrong when my ears were graced with some really poor music. And just to clear things up, I don't care what other people think of an album when it comes to reviewing. I disagree with most PA reviewers on at least a few albums, and thus, I've don't let other people's reviews influence my own review. Again, to prove this, I will have everybody scroll down through the collaborator reviews of this album: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=13659 I'm one of TWO collaborators to rate the album with 5 stars. I love the album, and it just shows how much I care about the morons' opinions who ranked it with 1 or 2 stars. (just kidding, no offense intended to Scarsick-haters).

I think you get my point by now. It's an album that I find to be severely flawed. It's not an album that I try to bash because other people don't like it.

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: JLocke wrote:   When I read what you typed about deleting the album, I actually laughed out loud. Totally guilty of doing that, myself. I do still hope the band members, if they read my review, don't take it personally, but at the same time, they most likely will to a certain degree, and as you said, I can't really worry about it. But it still is kind of eating at me, I honestly don't know why.  Never typed anything about deleting the album my friend.

Deleted it from your hard drive, he meant.