Meat Loaf to Prog Related

Cristi wrote: ABBA is one of the best pop bands, cleverly made pop, by skilled musicians (especially the keyboardist) and the girls did amazing vocals.  A lot of 70s musicians had great, complex arrangements but that don't make them prog. Even French artist Joe Dassin (Le jardin de Luxembourg is quite an epic ).

I certainly don't think Abba is Prog, and although I like Abba considerably, I couldn't say if it's one of the best pop bands (though I think Abba is good). What I meant is that although I would not support Abba for Prog-Related (and definitely not a Prog category), I do not think Abba musically has no merits as a band with a progressive rock relation. It's a matter of degree, and that degree depends opon various factors, and different people will disagree on degree.  "Eagle", at least, is proggy-sounding to me. I can think of a lot of French pop that has proggy qualities that I wouldn't support for inclusion, and yes, that Joe Dassin song is pretty epic and has some degree of merit.  I don't support Abba for PA, but I don't think the suggestion as ludicrous/ laughable as some others.

"Don't let your meat loaf, ha ha ha." Frank Zappa

I think that Meat Loaf is, generally spoken, just a bit more prog related than the Talking Heads, who have been added recently.

How Jagger said "It's only rock and roll but I like it".  Having 12 minutes songs doesn't always mean progressive. I agree about Talking Heads. If they are on PA who's next? Echo and the bunnymen?

octopus-4 wrote: How Jagger said "It's only rock and roll but I like it".  Having 12 minutes songs doesn't always mean progressive. I agree about Talking Heads. If they are on PA who's next? Echo and the bunnymen?

Tom Tom Club and Television, maybe.

Snow Dog wrote: The Truth wrote: Logan wrote: How did Meat Loaf influence Prog, and what makes him "exceptional"?   He didn't influence it, but he was influenced by it. ..or Jim Steinman was.

I think Jim Steinman should be in prog related. Meat Loaf is just a singer and really has nothing to do with his music. If you listen to his non-Steinman albums they are terrible generic rock.

I wouldn't really mind seeing Meat Loaf in here, alongside Jim Steinman's own solo output and some of the other projects he spearheaded.

Not particular strong candidates for related as far as I'm concerned, but they are examples of prog related material even if diluted, and such an addition would most likely give the site more traffic as a side effect.

The strongest points for this case is the time period. The 80's were barren for prog and prog related both, and seen in that context an addition isn't that farfetched. Especially in light of the revised guidelines for the related part of the database.

Chris S wrote:  Nah not Tom Tom Club. Silly little one liner comments and still no justification to Admin for Meatloaf. If those interested are not going to make a case and just flame, we have a Just For Fun section too

If I had the will, I would quote posts from the previous four threads proposing Meatloaf categorised into "for" and "against".  I was against it based on my youtube listening of Bat Out of Hell. And the big problem with so many of the "The old if X is here why not Y" comments is that they are apples and oranges comparisons (not sufficiently relevant).

Yeah, that's true.  As I sometimes have liked to say to people who say you can't compare apples and oranges: ridiculous, they are both fruit and they're both delicious, and that's just a start.  At least most people don't compare apples to airplanes here, though one could (they compare varieties of music rather than really different things, but the closer the comparison usually the better for justification purposes).  I usually say it's better to compare apples and apples, or at least limes and lemons, than apples and oranges for justification purposes (the case should be sufficiently relevant).


Edited by Logan - September 20 2010 at 17:55