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    Posted: September 17 2010 at 06:57
Meat Loaf to Prog Related
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Points: 20033 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 07:10

If this is a genuine proposal then you need to say why you think he fits in prog-related.

Also, a quick search will reveal at least 4 previous proposals. If you have a look at these threads you will find out the status of these proposals and what the general opinion was.
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=63501&KW=meat

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59207&KW=meat

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=30447&KW=meat

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16806&KW=meat

The general opinion in most cases seems to be a resounding NO.
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Points: 5502 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 11:34
My opinion is Yes
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 11:39
As much as they may be progrelated, those other four threads do sum it up.
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Points: 15585 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 12:32
Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

My opinion is Yes
Mine too, but I recognise the strong resistance there has been in the past.
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Points: 21795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 12:42
There's already three votes yes, what do you know? LOL
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How did Meat Loaf influence Prog, and what makes him "exceptional"?
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Points: 34086 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 12:46
he did invent cheese
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

How did Meat Loaf influence Prog, and what makes him "exceptional"?
 
He didn't influence it, but he was influenced by it.
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Points: 32995 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 12:53
Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

How did Meat Loaf influence Prog, and what makes him "exceptional"?
 
He didn't influence it, but he was influenced by it.

..or Jim Steinman was.
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Points: 37422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 12:59
Originally posted by The Truth The Truth wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

How did Meat Loaf influence Prog, and what makes him "exceptional"?
 
He didn't influence it, but he was influenced by it.


That's what I thought, but the PR expectations were changed some time ago to must be influenced by and must be an influence on Prog (before that it was or rather than and).  But now the definition (guidelines) has changed again, and it doesn't  look like like they must meet the influence on criterion anymore to be considered (though it's still mentioned, in fact in the number one place). Meat Loaf did not meet former standards for entry, as I see it, so maybe things will be different now.


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Yeah that's more true...
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Points: 2815 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:26
Prog-Related? By the current PA standards he could have a place in Crossover!
Bigger on the inside.
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Points: 45775 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:32
Don't know what to do: laugh or get mad 

LOL it is.

There was someone at some point was thinking ABBA was a good addition for prog-related. LOL
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Points: 34086 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:35
to me Alice Cooper fits better then Meat Loaf in Progarchives, he was one of the first to bring theatrics on stage and they were influenced and did also influence prog bands (Genesis hinihint, stage show, costumes)

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Points: 37422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:39
I've supported Alice Cooper, and continue to for Prog Related.

Regarding Abba, though I would not support the addition for Prog Related, it is not altogether without merits, I think.  To me, this is a proggy song:



And, incidentally, not to make a case for Abba, I find some similarities with Abba to Mellow Candle which is in Prog Folk (two female singers of course).

My basic position is that (at least almost) everything suggested has a degree of merit (the degree can depend upon the listeners' expectations and associations, knowledge of the music and familiarity with other similar acts etc.)


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Points: 45775 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:48
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

I've supported Alice Cooper, and continue to for Prog Related.

Regarding Abba, though I would not support the addition for Prog Related, it is not altogether without merits, I think.  To me, this is a proggy song:



And, incidentally, not to make a case for Abba, I find some similarities with Abba to Mellow Candle which is in Prog Folk (two female singers of course).

ABBA is one of the best pop bands, cleverly made pop, by skilled musicians (especially the keyboardist) and the girls did amazing vocals. 

A lot of 70s musicians had great, complex arrangements but that don't make them prog. Even French artist Joe Dassin (Le jardin de Luxembourg is quite an epic LOL).
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Points: 3196 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 13:52
I don't think so.
2 out of 3 aint bad..
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Points: 7028 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2010 at 14:03
Look it is really simple..... Should Mr. Steinman's band fit any revised definitions of prog related, then please someone get your proposal justification " act" together and submit to Easy Livin to take it to the admin team. But to just say the band should be here is as good as saying " There will be weather tomorrow"Disapprove
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