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I know that.

Bear in mind there are other people in Magma though who are trying to make a living.

Not that I am going to change your opinion and neither am I trying to.  I'm just saying that you're boycotting a band on unsubstantiated rumours.

It's not confusing.  You did basically say (in your previous post) though that you want to deny him a living from making music because of alleged and unsubstantiated (and potentially libellous) views.

Thankfully you have corrected yourself.

Torodd, your post sort of echoes mine actually.  Nicely said.

Is he not allowed to make a living then? 

He makes music (none of which really suggests he's a Fascist).  He's not making money by having Nazi-rallies, pamphleting, writing Fascist-propaganda.

Albert Speer was an Architect.  He was a member of the Nazi Party.  He also happened to survive beyond the Nuremberg trials.  Would you boycott visiting all his buildings if he was still alive today?

Would you have avoided Tempelhof because it's rebuilt terminal was built for the NSDAP?

There's Fascism, Communism and other so-called bad things around us even now.  You cannot avoid it all.

Live with it.


Edited by James - September 10 2010 at 02:27

40footwolf.

I am not agressive. If I should had boycotted anyone and anything based on rumors, like you are suggesting I should do, I would had starved to death by now unless I wanted to live of hunting and eating foxes and seagulls. All super market and grocery shops are accused of this and that odious thing. So is the butchers. Not to mention farmers. 

You cannot and you shall not base decisions which may deprive others of their living (and send them to a life on the streets) on rumors and rumors alone. In particular in this day and age when the internet gives voices to people with dubious intentions. 

Your position here, which is voicing views which is likely to deprive another human being for his means of living based on unverifiable rumors and hearsay, is in fact in the same moral bracket as the one you are accusing Vander of. What you are doing here is in fact fascism by another word. 

 

Edited by toroddfuglesteg - September 10 2010 at 02:26

James wrote: Robert Wyatt was a member of the British Communist Party.  That does not mean he necessarily supported Stalin, Mao or Pot.  Those are just bad versions of Communism.

Holding a machine pistol in your hands does not signify peaceful intents.

But you are right. But my whole point is that there is far more evidence linking Robert Wyatt to Pol Pot, Mao and Stalin than there is evidence linking Vander to Adolf Hitler and his odious regime.   

In short, besides of marking that we all dislike genocides and those who has committed them, this thread becomes pointless. There is rumors about everyone. Even rumors that James really a king-penguin.

 I am not boycotting Robert Wyatt and I am not boycotting Magma either. Neither am I boycotting Knut Hamsun either. Neither do I have any intentions to do that either. And I am most certainly not boycotting anyone based on rumors or hearsay.

I am though boycotting, and warning others about public appearances where Stalin and Hitler apologists gets the opportunity to Blenda-white wash their heroes. There is people who are still blankly refusing to withdraw their support for Hitler, Pol Pot and Mao. I am blankly refusing to work with these guys on any of my literature projects and/or give them any credibility whatsoever. And that boycott is the only reason why I have yet to put any of my projects in a book store. 

 

Edited by toroddfuglesteg - September 10 2010 at 02:12

James wrote: Card also happens to be a from a Mormon family (but apparently is not a Mormon himself).  So those of us who don't like their religion may decide to boycott them too.  However, I'm not that silly.  I use the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Familysearch website all the time.

I guess not giving money to someone who's actively trying to destroy a cause I believe in is silly now? Whatever. I think y'all are letting your fandom cloud your reason-if Magma sucked I don't think this would even be an issue-but I'm not holding it against you all and I hope you'll eventually stop holding MY decision against me. 

Card also happens to be a from a Mormon family (but apparently is not a Mormon himself).  So those of us who don't like their religion may decide to boycott them too.  However, I'm not that silly.  I use the Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Familysearch website all the time.

James wrote: Robert Wyatt was a member of the British Communist Party.  That does not mean he necessarily supported Stalin, Mao or Pot.  Those are just bad versions of Communism. I'm not saying Communism is a good idea, by the way.  I'm just saying that just because someone was/is a Communist, that they supported the idea of genocide.

Robert Wyatt was a member of the British Communist Party.  That does not mean he necessarily supported Stalin, Mao or Pot.  Those are just bad versions of Communism.

I'm not saying Communism is a good idea, by the way.  I'm just saying that just because someone was/is a Communist, that they support/ed the idea of genocide.

40footwolf, don't be so daft.  Enjoy the music.

Wagner has been enjoyed and conducted by Jewish for many years as well.

Will you also boycott very early VdGG because Chris Judge Smith was a Scientologist?


Edited by James - September 10 2010 at 01:56