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Points: 7826 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 19:22
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:


2) Metal meets progressive rock (Symphony X, Psychotic Waltz, Shadow Gallery, Pagan's Mind)
 
They all seem more progressive to me.
Metal meets progressive rock would most likely be post-Human Death, Portal, Opeth, Edge of Sanity, Atheist, Negura Bunget or Cynic...


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So just because these bands are more extreme than traditional prog metal acts, it means they aren't as progressive?

Therein lies the problem with this entire concept. The bands mentioned are progressive death metal. Because they are progressive death metal, does that make them any less "prog"? I don't think so.

With Death and Atheist this is somewhat true (they are first and foremost death/thrash bands), but the others are either pure progressive death metal or progressive black metal.

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Points: 18016 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 19:25
You've got it backwards; they're not less progressive, just more metal
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Points: 6088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 22:14
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

You've got it backwards; they're not less progressive, just more metal


Very much agreement.
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2010 at 22:17
I think it's a valid way to look at it.
I often said I could never decide if "prog metal" is a subset of progressive rock, or metal.

I think it's just a bridge. So your view is accurate IMO. Some bands are clearly metal /w prog while others are more prog w/ some metal
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Yeah, I think the "VS" in the name of the thread is bad. This is music, why there should be an antagonism or fight. Metalheads love prog metal, Progfreaks love prog metal... is always a win...
 
 
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Points: 6088 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2010 at 10:28
Originally posted by jampa17 jampa17 wrote:

Yeah, I think the "VS" in the name of the thread is bad. This is music, why there should be an antagonism or fight. Metalheads love prog metal, Progfreaks love prog metal... is always a win...
 
 


I didn't mean it like that. I simply used "vs." to illustrate the difference between the two.
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Points: 12294 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2010 at 17:13
The way I look at it rather simple.

Prog/Tech/Experimental Metal bands/artists take progressive rock influences, and apply them to metal influences. The resulting music is a fusion of such styles. There's not one single true arbiter of influence, they are as varied as the base prog/experimental music itself.
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Points: 305 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 23 2010 at 17:53
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

There's also

"extreme metal guys go avantgarde"
or
"black metal guys add folk instruments to their sh*t"

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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

While listening to various progressive metal bands, I've noticed two distinct sub-types within the genre:

1) Progressive rock meets metal (Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Ayreon, Riverside)
2) Metal meets progressive rock (Symphony X, Psychotic Waltz, Shadow Gallery, Pagan's Mind)

I consider both equally progressive. Who else thinks this is a valid way of looking at the genre?
 
I would think that the fact that things are metal have absolutely nothing with "progressive" at all ... and in the cases of some of your examples, a long cut does not "progressive" make, although it seems to define some of this metal stuff.
 
I don't consider DT progressive anymore. Specially after doing a loud impression of a cheap rock band without keyboards and bass on a stage! That is inexcusable and only says that they do not have enough care to the quality of the music they are putting out ... they are playing something, but you can't hear 2 of them!
 
Shadow Gallery is a bit of a different story ... and I am hoping, like a friend of mine, that Labrie leaves DT and joins Shadow Gallery, since DT is now just metal for metal's sakes on any stage and they obviously don't know any better when they are on the road ... that is not the quality that one would expect from a band that cares deeply about their music and what it is about! DT's time is over as long as they do not know how to involve their keyboard player and bass player ... and singer! 
 
The problem I have with "metal" is that for the most part it is nothing but loudness with an effect in the guitar or what not ... and in the end, if you were smart enough to turn off the effect you have ... the same thing that was there before ... exactly the same ... and after a while it is not worth it anymore. And some of these are trying to make themselves relevant by singing about something important ... that's so original! Let me go to the bathroom now!
 
All in all, if the only reason you, or I, listen to these things is because it is "metal" ... or because it is "progressive" ... I really think that ... it's over!


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Originally posted by Anthony H. Anthony H. wrote:

While listening to various progressive metal bands, I've noticed two distinct sub-types within the genre:

1) Progressive rock meets metal (Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Ayreon, Riverside)
2) Metal meets progressive rock (Symphony X, Psychotic Waltz, Shadow Gallery, Pagan's Mind)

I consider both equally progressive. Who else thinks this is a valid way of looking at the genre?
In my opinion, only Riverside is part of section 1. All other are obviously much more towars Metal than Prog.
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