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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2010 at 05:10
^ The thing is Olav, IMO she should really belong in Prog Electronic.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2010 at 05:45

But as you said earlier Chris, each team makes his own inclusion policies, or in other words - demands.

And you know what demands of Prog Electronic are.

There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2010 at 13:09
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

But as you said earlier Chris, each team makes his own inclusion policies, or in other words - demands.

And you know what demands of Prog Electronic are.

  I think Marty we need to respect the demands of each Team and comment or discuss such issues within our own team threads if need be. The open forum is not the venue for such a thing.Thanks.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2010 at 13:12
She's exceptional and very talented. For me everything prog stands for, but I suppose she doesn't fit prog as defined on this site. I don't mind.  But for me, personally, she stands in a direct line to the old '70's prog heroes, even if her music is more "song" - based, so to say.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 18 2010 at 14:59
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

But as you said earlier Chris, each team makes his own inclusion policies, or in other words - demands.

And you know what demands of Prog Electronic are.

  I think Marty we need to respect the demands of each Team and comment or discuss such issues within our own team threads if need be. The open forum is not the venue for such a thing.Thanks.

I know that, but I'm not saying anything bad against Prog Electronic team, or Philippe, their leader. I'm just saying that from the look on charts, there is not so much Prog Electronic artists. There's really nothing bad about it and I'm not implying anything like that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2010 at 01:31
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

http://www.gepr.net/bandlist.html
shes not listed here!
 
 
But she is here: http://www.progressiveears.com/asp/artistdir.asp?country=Iceland ... though not assigned to any subgenre.
 
 
So, not too reliable in seird selections.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2010 at 03:07
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

http://www.gepr.net/bandlist.html
shes not listed here!
 
 
But she is here: http://www.progressiveears.com/asp/artistdir.asp?country=Iceland ... though not assigned to any subgenre.
 
 
So, not too reliable in seird selections.
 
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I know - just making a point about the falacy of "not listed on other Prog sites" ... ProgArchives, ProgEars, ProgGnossis and ProgRessor are just as likely to have "controversial" artists listed as wikipedia is of tagging any band that "gets a bit clever" as "Progressive"
 
GEPR is not immune either for they list Pete Brown, Duncan Brown, Edgar Broughton, Clannad, Cocteau Twins, Chrome, Sandy Denny, Einstürzende Neubauten and (I could go on, there are plenty more, but I'll stop with) Spinal Tap.
 
So while it's amusing to point out some of the more absurd listings in PE, it doesn't prove anything - what is important is what we do, and for that it may be necessary to put aside preconceptions and prejudices and actually listen to the artist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2010 at 03:42
Came across this one on Amazon:

Avant Rock: Experimental Music from the Beatles to Bjork (Feedback (Chicago, Ill.), V. 3.) [Paperback]

Bill Martin < id="contributorASIN1" value="B001JS5H0U" =""> (Author), Robert Fripp (Foreword)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2010 at 12:13
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

But as you said earlier Chris, each team makes his own inclusion policies, or in other words - demands.

And you know what demands of Prog Electronic are.

  I think Marty we need to respect the demands of each Team and comment or discuss such issues within our own team threads if need be. The open forum is not the venue for such a thing.Thanks.

I know that, but I'm not saying anything bad against Prog Electronic team, or Philippe, their leader. I'm just saying that from the look on charts, there is not so much Prog Electronic artists. There's really nothing bad about it and I'm not implying anything like that.



I don't believe that Bjork would fit in well in the Progressive Electronic category even if she has Kosmische qualities/ influence.  I  think she'd be better for Crossover for her Art Pop music, but that's up to the teams, of course, to determine.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2010 at 15:11
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

But as you said earlier Chris, each team makes his own inclusion policies, or in other words - demands.

And you know what demands of Prog Electronic are.

  I think Marty we need to respect the demands of each Team and comment or discuss such issues within our own team threads if need be. The open forum is not the venue for such a thing.Thanks.

I know that, but I'm not saying anything bad against Prog Electronic team, or Philippe, their leader. I'm just saying that from the look on charts, there is not so much Prog Electronic artists. There's really nothing bad about it and I'm not implying anything like that.



I don't believe that Bjork would fit in well in the Progressive Electronic category even if she has Kosmische qualities/ influence.  I  think she'd be better for Crossover for her Art Pop music, but that's up to the teams, of course, to determine.

Indeed, that's possibility. I'm not that familiar with her work, so I would have to understand her work better before making any judgements. I just pointed out why not Prog Electronic.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 12:19
Interesting discussions here...
 
My own two cents (this from a veteran forum lurker) is that Bjork certainly rates a spot in the Archives, and not just for the Medulla album.
 
Her music isn't 'Prog' in the fossilized stylistic sense of the word, but if this is a site that claims to value musical uniqueness, individuality, and forward-thinking aesthetics, then there really isn't much of a choice, is there? And when you consider how her own musical ambitions have evolved over the years (a lot of her live music is especially inventive) I think it's fair to say she's (small 'p') progressive, no doubt.
 
There are plenty of other bands listed here (quite a few in the Post Rock pages) which arguably aren't in any way Prog Rock; so why the resistance to Bjork? It can't be some sort of gender bias (we hope)...maybe just a question of category? 'Prog Related' sounds fair to me. Or 'Eclectic': a word which was practically invented for Bjork...
 
...and besides, I know for a fact (thanks to his web diaries) that Robert Fripp is a fan: that's a better recommendation than I could ever make..!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 12:27
Originally posted by Wiktor Hatif Wiktor Hatif wrote:

By the way, she has lately wrote the song promoting new movie based on Moomins book :) I must start a thread to find out if there are some other Moomin books' (not anime) fans around. :)
This is off topic, but I have a few of Tove Jansson's moomin books somewhere around the house, bought for my kids when they were younger.
 
And the Swedish band Ritual (listed here at Prog Archives, and highly recommended for fans of Scandinavian Neo-Prog-Heavy-Folk-Whatever Rock) has devoted a lot of their music to the moominfolk!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 12:29
I don't think she's appropriate for Eclectic partially because she is on the art pop side (which is why I thought Crossover as a possibility, which, by the way, can equal Eclectic plus mainstream/ pop). Prog Related probably is the best place for her, but there are strict criteria that make entry very difficult.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 13:05
The most obvious difficulty with her inclusion is that she's famous and selling millions though. Inclusions of artists with mainstream success, for one reason or another, tends to lead to outbreaks of extremely hostile and aggressive knee jerk reactions and prophecies of how this site is leaving prog and how the world now is about to go under and Armageddon to follow.

Cue Steely Dan, Journey, Metallica, Iron Maiden, Blue Oyster Cult - to name but a few such cases.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 14:12
Robert Fripp is a fan of Kayne West, so I'd say that's not a decisive argument Clown
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 14:20
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

But as you said earlier Chris, each team makes his own inclusion policies, or in other words - demands.

And you know what demands of Prog Electronic are.

  I think Marty we need to respect the demands of each Team and comment or discuss such issues within our own team threads if need be. The open forum is not the venue for such a thing.Thanks.

I know that, but I'm not saying anything bad against Prog Electronic team, or Philippe, their leader. I'm just saying that from the look on charts, there is not so much Prog Electronic artists. There's really nothing bad about it and I'm not implying anything like that.



I don't believe that Bjork would fit in well in the Progressive Electronic category even if she has Kosmische qualities/ influence.  I  think she'd be better for Crossover for her Art Pop music, but that's up to the teams, of course, to determine.

Indeed, that's possibility. I'm not that familiar with her work, so I would have to understand her work better before making any judgements. I just pointed out why not Prog Electronic.

So we will add her to crossover for evaluation. Of course there are plenty xover attributes but personally I think she would sit perfectly under P/E. She would be controversial as Olav's last post pointed out, yet I cannot see why commercial success would be a negative influence in terms of perceptions. It is important to recognise that, yes, she could fit xover but only because her music fits the genre, not because she cannot gain acceptance elsewhere. Am I the only one around here thinking progressive electronic is the obvious choice?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 14:26
Taking a brief checkup with the electronic team on this one. If the answer is as I surmise, she'll be on the Crossover charts for eval in a bit :-)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 15:13
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Robert Fripp is a fan of Kayne West, so I'd say that's not a decisive argument Clown
808's and Heartbreaks is an excellent albumWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 15:40

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Taking a brief checkup with the electronic team on this one. If the answer is as I surmise, she'll be on the Crossover charts for eval in a bit :-)

We'll see. Most of you probably know her work, but so far, I discussed only theoretically, I don't know even one single song by her.

What do people think that's her most Prog, Medulla ? And second ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2010 at 15:55
Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Taking a brief checkup with the electronic team on this one. If the answer is as I surmise, she'll be on the Crossover charts for eval in a bit :-)

We'll see. Most of you probably know her work, but so far, I discussed only theoretically, I don't know even one single song by her.

What do people think that's her most Prog, Medulla ? And second ?



Homogenic Live is worth a listen, I think.


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