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boo boo 
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 Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:19 |
 DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
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I like Waters and his vocals a lot, but The Final Cut is pretty boring, the best tracks are the ones left over from The Wall, had they been included on that album, they would have been considered filler.
That sums up the album pretty well, all the newer tracks are completely forgettable.
And I don't know what people are smoking when they say it's better than The Wall, I suspect that they're trying a little too hard to be different. |
IMO The Wall is inconistent. The 1st disc blows, and the 2nd is amazing. The Final Cut is way more consistent and overall I do think it is better than The Wall.
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The fu???
Are you freaking mad? The 1st disc pretty much rapes the 2nd. 1st disc has no filler while 2nd disc drags a little because of side 3.
Edited by boo boo - August 17 2010 at 18:23
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:20 |
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The Final Cut > The Wall
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boo boo
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:22 |
At being mediocre. 
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:22 |
The self-titled Genesis album... it still amazes me how crappy they've become. 
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:24 |
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And H to He? That's the best VDGG album ffs. |
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"The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:26 |
boo boo wrote:
At being mediocre. |
Nope. While I rated both albums the same, I visit The Final Cut far more often than The Wall. In fact, I think the last time I listened to The Wall was when I reviewed it, which was over a year and a half ago.
The Final Cut has genuine, lyrical poignancy, exceptional melodies, and powerful, emotional performances, as opposed to the angst-ridden, pseudo-psychotic theatrics of an overblown double album.
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boo boo
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:35 |
J-Man wrote:
The self-titled Genesis album... it still amazes me how crappy they've become.  |
I actually like that album a lot. The worst song is Illegal Alien and as a silly novelty song even that one doesn't bother me much. I think Mama and That's All are two of their best pop songs, Silver Rainbow is a great deep track and Second Home by the Sea is a groovy instrumental. It's not as good as Duke, but it is better than Abacab. Though I think that whole trilogy is overrated. They're the only 3 men era albums worth having, though ATTWT and IT have some solid tracks. We Can't Dance is the only album from that era I'd call downright terrible.
I can understand the dislike of that period in their career, but since I actually like 80s pop I actually like 80s Genesis, they weren't great like in the 70s, but they weren't as godawful as every prog fan would have you believe. Of all the prog bands who tried going pop, they were the one band that suceeded and I guess it's easy to hate a band when they're popular while people can just pretend like the crap Gentle Giant and Jethro Tull did never happened.
Also think it's annoying how Collins gets so much hate from prog fans, and also people who think the band ended with Gabriel. IMO Genesis were neither Peter's or Phil's band, it was always Tony and Mike's, they were the real leaders, songwriters and the guys who chose the direction of the band. If people are gonna blame somebody, blame them. Phil needs a break, poor guy. :(
Edited by boo boo - August 17 2010 at 18:37
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:36 |
Generally it´s possible to say: the eighties ages of twentieth century are the cradle of weak, awful and unlistenable albums. Almost all Prog bands or artists founded in 60´s or 70´s have any "skeleton in a wardrobe".
For example:
Pink Floyd: The Final Cut
Genesis: Abacab
King Crimson. Beat
Camel: Stationary Traveller
Deep Purple: The House Of Blue Light
Renaissance: Time-Line
Jethro Tull: Under Wraps
Yes: 90125
Frank Zappa: Francesco Zappa
Mike Oldfield: Earth Moving
Uriah Heep: Equator
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A Elbereth Gilthoniel
silivren penna míriel
o menel aglar elenath!
Na-chaered palan-díriel
o galadhremmin ennorath,
Fanuilos, le linnathon
nef aear, sí nef aearon!
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boo boo
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:39 |
Epignosis wrote:
boo boo wrote:
At being mediocre. |
Nope. While I rated both albums the same, I visit The Final Cut far more often than The Wall. In fact, I think the last time I listened to The Wall was when I reviewed it, which was over a year and a half ago.
The Final Cut has genuine, lyrical poignancy, exceptional melodies, and powerful, emotional performances, as opposed to the angst-ridden, pseudo-psychotic theatrics of an overblown double album.
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Waters and Gilmour both perform well on that album, and the lyrics are good. I disagree strongly about the melodies, there's hardly any at all on that record. The Wall by comparison had a lot of hooks. It's angsty and psychotic indeed, part of it's appeal actually.
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:42 |
boo boo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo boo wrote:
At being mediocre. |
Nope. While I rated both albums the same, I visit The Final Cut far more often than The Wall. In fact, I think the last time I listened to The Wall was when I reviewed it, which was over a year and a half ago.
The Final Cut has genuine, lyrical poignancy, exceptional melodies, and powerful, emotional performances, as opposed to the angst-ridden, pseudo-psychotic theatrics of an overblown double album.
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Waters and Gilmour both perform well on that album, and the lyrics are good. I disagree strongly about the melodies, there's hardly any at all on that record. The Wall by comparison had a lot of hooks. It's angsty and psychotic indeed, part of it's appeal actually. |
I never said I didn't like The Wall. 
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boo boo
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:45 |
Gandalff wrote:
Generally it´s possible to say: the eighties ages of twentieth century are the cradle of weak, awful and unlistenable albums. Almost all Prog bands or artists founded in 60´s or 70´s have any "skeleton in a wardrobe".
For example:
Pink Floyd: The Final Cut
Genesis: Abacab
King Crimson. Beat
Camel: Stationary Traveller
Deep Purple: The House Of Blue Light
Renaissance: Time-Line
Jethro Tull: Under Wraps
Yes: 90125
Frank Zappa: Francesco Zappa
Mike Oldfield: Earth Moving
Uriah Heep: Equator
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I'm guilty of liking these. I do think 90125 was the beginning of the end for Yes, but on it's own it's a decent pop album. I still defend Abacab as being a pretty good pop album. I think Genesis did pop better than Yes for sure.
Beat is one of KC's weaker albums but I still rate it pretty well, it is a bit of a drop after Discipline. And while people here unsurprisingly tend to hate the very poppy Three of a Pefect Pair, I like that album a whole heck of a lot actually and consider it one of their most underrated. Beat is the weakest of the 80s trilogy and Heartbeat is probably the worst KC song ever, but the album still has some excellent tracks.
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boo boo
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:48 |
Epignosis wrote:
boo boo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
boo boo wrote:
At being mediocre. |
Nope. While I rated both albums the same, I visit The Final Cut far more often than The Wall. In fact, I think the last time I listened to The Wall was when I reviewed it, which was over a year and a half ago.
The Final Cut has genuine, lyrical poignancy, exceptional melodies, and powerful, emotional performances, as opposed to the angst-ridden, pseudo-psychotic theatrics of an overblown double album.
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Waters and Gilmour both perform well on that album, and the lyrics are good. I disagree strongly about the melodies, there's hardly any at all on that record. The Wall by comparison had a lot of hooks. It's angsty and psychotic indeed, part of it's appeal actually. |
I never said I didn't like The Wall.
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Well, I didn't say there was nothing to like about The Final Cut. Like I said, I like 3 songs at least, and one song is alright despite just being a ripoff of one of The Wall's better songs.
If it was any other band, I'd say it was an admirable effort. But this is Pink Floyd and when compared to the 6 albums (yeah I'm including the super underrated Obscured by Clouds) that proceeded it, it just doesn't hold up.
Maybe I have a more sentimental attachment to The Wall because the themes are something I can relate to easier as I was an angsty teen. But I still find it rewarding to listen to today, side 3 being the only area that could have used some tightening up, like I said they could have took out Nobody Home, Very Lynn and Bring the Boys Back Home and add Hero's Return, Your Possible Past and The Final Cut.
Then they could have released The Post War Dream as a single and we wouldn't have to be bothered with the other songs.
Edited by boo boo - August 17 2010 at 18:55
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Bitterblogger
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 21:10 |
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One long time band here that's avoided mention is the Moody Blues. Their big stinker is "Octave".
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HarmoniumQc
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Posted: August 17 2010 at 21:53 |
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No you're not. I definately love it too though I don't think it's one of their best. I'm much more into Scenes and Images & Words.
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 14:57 |
I'm only a casual Jethro Tull fan, but j-tull.com is so terrible.... A great marketing scheme for their website though.
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GY!BE
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 21:24 |
Love Beach by ELP  in comparison with the masterpieces they wrote before that...
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GY!BE
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Posted: August 19 2010 at 21:28 |
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And there's also Only Chaos Is Real from Heldon...complete disaster except for the lyrics:
MATTER IS ILLUSION, ENERGY IS ILLUSION, WE ARE ILLUSION...pum tssi pum tssi pum tssi pum tssi
ONLY CHAOS IS REAL....ONLY CHAOS IS REAL
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Rolf Bos
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 20:16 |
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From all kinds of prog some of the worst albums:
Supertramp - Free as a bird
Jan Akkerman - 3
Golden Earring - Keeper of the flame
Pink Floyd - The final cut
Metallica - St. Anger
Kate Bush - The red shoes
Deep Purple - The battle rages on
In my opinion less worse but dubious:
Yes - Union
Doors - The soft parade
Led Zeppelin - Presence
Marillion - Radiation
Iron Maiden - No prayer for the dying
Black Sabbath - Never say die
Klaus Schulze & Rainer Bloss - Drive inn
Kansas - Power
Queen - Hot space
Edited by Rolf Bos - August 21 2010 at 21:16
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Progatron
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 20:31 |
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Genesis/Yes/Rush/Marillion/VDGG&PH/The Flower Kings/Zappa/Änglagĺrd/Wobbler/PFM/Banco/Le Orme/Jethro Tull/Spock's Beard/Transatlantic/Ayreon/Beardfish/IQ/Dream Theater/Opeth/P.Tree/Arena/Camel/Kaipa!
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: August 21 2010 at 20:32 |
boo boo wrote:
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
boo boo wrote:
I like Waters and his vocals a lot, but The Final Cut is pretty boring, the best tracks are the ones left over from The Wall, had they been included on that album, they would have been considered filler.
That sums up the album pretty well, all the newer tracks are completely forgettable.
And I don't know what people are smoking when they say it's better than The Wall, I suspect that they're trying a little too hard to be different. |
IMO The Wall is inconistent. The 1st disc blows, and the 2nd is amazing. The Final Cut is way more consistent and overall I do think it is better than The Wall.
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The fu???
Are you freaking mad? The 1st disc pretty much rapes the 2nd. 1st disc has no filler while 2nd disc drags a little because of side 3. |
The first disc has plenty of filler and a few below average tracks. Disc 2 features some favourites of mine, like Hey You and The Trial (which is actually one of my favourite Floyd songs, oddly).
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