Worst Album by a Great Prog Band
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Topic: Worst Album by a Great Prog Band
Posted By: AerosolKid74
Subject: Worst Album by a Great Prog Band
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 15:46
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Unfortunately I was not around in the 70's to experience first hand all of my favorite bands but in a way it makes me glad I didn't then have to put up with the crap they produced later in their career a few examples that spring to mind Yes - Owner of a Lonely Heart and Rhythm of Love, Genesis - Invisible Touch and I Can't Dance but why don't you give me a few more examples and let the hate flow. ------------- Prog Rock: Founded on a fundamental misunderstanding of the word virtuoso. |
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 15:56
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I don't hate anything by Yes or genesis or even ELP ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: DreamInSong
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 16:50
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I never listened to it, but I'm anticipating some Love Beach
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Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 17:00
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In 20 years, many of us may be saying "Dream Theater: Systematic Chaos"
Tull had some stinkers in the later years...Under Wraps, Dot Com, and the like. ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 17:24
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Triumvirat's last album Russian Roullette is not only their worst,but one of the worst albums by anybody
all i can say is -thank god for Spartacus
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Posted By: DreamInSong
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 17:38
I really don't think it was that bad: 1. In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 1  2. Forsaken 3. Constant Motion 4. The Dark Eternal Night 5. Repentance 6. Prophets of War 7. The Ministry of Lost Souls 8. In The Presence of Enemies Pt. 2 Averaging about three stars -------------
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Tarquin Underspoon wrote:Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 17:56
I say that already, and I love DT. Can't stand it other than In the Presence of Enemies, and maybe Ministry of Lost Souls. ------------- "The meaning of life is to give life meaning."-Arjen Lucassen |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 18:02
You know, I thought the same thing when it came out. But after a few years of listening, I can honestly say it gets weaker each time I hear it. It's happening with their newest album, too, for me. ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 18:13
| In such topics I always mention Magma's Merci, and I really like the album. |
Posted By: Klogg
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 18:30
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 18:33
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Posted By: kole
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 18:48
| The second Comus album. |
Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 19:11
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Don't really understand these kinds of threads although I can understand the humor I guess. I always use the site to find great new music and whatnot...you can pretty much find all of these 'worst albums' by going to the band pages and seeing the lower ratings and negative reviews. To me the combination of the two lends me to look elsewhere
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 19:23
Fair enough since they only had two albums, and I thought of mentioning that too, but I do want to note that though it has a bad reputation, I still like that album. I still think it's good to very good, and if it wasn't a band that had come out with an album as great as First Utterance, it would be considered more highly. Underrated. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 19:39
| There are many weak albums by my favourite bands. But I bought ABACAB by Genesis, and I found absolutley nothing interesting in it. Nothing particularly bad (except for Who Dunnit which is atrocious), but nothing interesting either. Other post Hacket albums have some songs I really like. And St Anger by Metallica is really terrible. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 19:49
The nice thing about these topics, though, is that you can find people's choices all in one place (instead of scouring all of the band pages -- though of course a great many applicable ones will be missed here since there will be limited response. A good many people, like me, don't usually like to rate albums so I could think of many poor, applicable ones that are completely unrated). Well, I should say that you could find them all in one place except that we have so many threads on the same topic. And people have different opinions on the worth of the album anyway, which can give some good discussion. I can say that Merci is Magma's worst studio album, but I still think it's really good on the whole, and a worthwhile album in my collection. You can see what I said about Comus' second album. I think it's good, but unlike Magma, of course, Comus didn't release much (the bonus tracks on Song to Comus are mostly superb I think, by the way). There are low rated albums at PA that I think excellent, and high-rated albums that I find poor. There are different ways to approach the topic, and it can generate some interesting discussion, I think. I've known people to re-consider music that they assumed bad, or didn't give a chance to, thanks to such discussion before. And maybe some people will think of some poor albums by good so-called prog bands that aren't even in the archives yet. The archives are hardly complete. Well, that might lead to discovering the good albums. It is possible to discover good material after becoming intrigued by trainwrecks. Plus, these topics are fun for some of us. Of course it's been done many times. There are also plenty of appreciation threads, which is helpful, of course, because one may have never even heard of the band or album. But one could also say that "you can pretty much find all of these 'best albums' by going to the band pages and seeing the higher ratings and positive reviews." That often wouldn't be the case for me, but as a general rule.... Certainly more-so if they are raters that have similar tastes to mine. I like a little negativity. All sweetness is sappy. It may not be a very useful topic, but I find it an enjoyable topic. To each his or her own. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 20:03
No way. One of their best IMHO. I'm probably the only one on this whole forum who thinks that, but I love it. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 20:03
exactly Their 3rd album should be out this year, by the way |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 20:11
 I look forward to it. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 22:03
Even though we may disagree about that album, I think we can both agree that your new avatar is most amusing. ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 22:31
 Yes we can. Thanks.  |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 14 2010 at 23:53
| I don't know if I can quite call them a GREAT prog band, but few are worse than Renaissance's Timeline, absolutely terrible album. Then again, I haven't heard Calling All Stations, maybe it's worse still. Love Beach, barring the cover, was not all that bad. Civilian too, while disappointing coming from a band like Gentle Giant, wasn't too bad and was quite in keeping with the rock music of the late 70s/early 80s. If I include bands on PA in general, then St Anger wins comfortably, though. |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 02:33
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Abacab would be my choice although more because of the sudden change of direction rather than it being that bad.One or two tracks are salvagable (Dodo and the title track)
Love Beach is listenable imo.(just need to hide your eyes from the cover)
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 04:57
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Ah here we go with some negativity....
yes, great prog bands have made some bad albums and here they are
ELP
 GENESIS
 YES
 Then there are albums that are the worst but are still pretty good, just the worst by the particular bands...like
KING CRIMSON
 VDGG
 Pink Floyd
 Hawkwind... ?
Marillion.... ?
Dream Theater... ?
Camel ...?
Caravan... ?
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Posted By: kole
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 05:00
I actually kinda agree with you. But still, compared to the first album, it is weak. But yeah, I can actually enjoy it. And can't wait for their third one! |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 06:28
| I have a relative who did not know that Prog Rock exists (until I told him that Yes were one of the most famous Prog bands) yet Big Generator is one of his favourite albums. He's very casual about music and oddly, despite the album genuinely being one if his favourites, he has no interest in delving into their catalogue. The only other two Yes tracks he has heard are Don't Kill The Whale and Owner Of A Lonely Heart. I offered to do him a Yes mix-tape ( this was back in the 80s) and he declined. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 06:44
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Posted By: AerosolKid74
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 09:43
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While Systematic Chaos isn't a great album I don't quite think It's worthy of this thread seeing as a third of it goes to In The Presence of Enemies which in my opinion is one of the best things Dream Theater have ever written. ------------- Prog Rock: Founded on a fundamental misunderstanding of the word virtuoso. |
Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 10:51
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 10:52
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ELP - In The Hot Seat (because of this album)
Yes - Open Your Eyes (for this?)
Frank Zappa - Cruisin' With Ruben & The Jets (and crashing into a tree)
King Crimson - Three Of A Perfect Pair ('nuff said)
Jethro Tull - Under Wraps (keep it that way)
Brian Eno - Music For Airports (and to cure insomnia)
The Mahavishnu Orchestra - Inner Worlds (don't let them out)
Pink Floyd - The Final Cut (putting salt in the wound)
Spock's Beard - Octane (low octane)
Return To Forever - Musicmagic (I don't have a joke for this one) ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 12:16
ouch. I agree with all the others, but that's the only good DT album IMO and, well, H to He etc. |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 12:27
| Tormato is astonishingly bad given the line-up that recorded it. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 15 2010 at 12:32
Yeah...thats probably missing a a star....will correct! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: retrorocker
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 15:11
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The studio part of Ummagumma has got to be the worst, or at least most bewilderingly dissapointing, thing by Pink Floyd, and that was the first album that came to mind.
Tormato is also very bad for a band who had just released Going for the One the previous year, although personally I like "Future TImes/Rejoice" and "Don't Kill the Whale", the album as a whole pales in the shadows of what came before it.
As for King Crimson, there were only two or three tracks on each of Beat and ToaPP that I liked, so I downloaded them and abandoned the rest. I haven't heard CoL yet but apparantly it's not good either. I like THRAK and TPtB very much.
As for Genesis, it goes without saying that everything after Hackett left was, ahem, "less than perfect". :P
One that I should mention is the VdG album "The Quiet Zone/A Pleasure Dome", or whatever it's called, that is such a huge sore thumb odd-one-out album I don't know if I'll ever be able to listen to it objectively. I do love the tracks "Cats Eye/Yellow Fever" and "Lizard Play" though, so maybe, one day... ------------- "It's alright to lose your heart, but never lose your head!" ~ Phil Lynott RIP |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 16:31
Interesting. It's my least favourite of the big 4 myself. Still good though to me. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 16:35
May have to change my mind over that one, I listened to Pioneers over C the other day and really enjoyed it. Don't like Killer though. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Anthony H.
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 16:51
It's not one of their best, but it's an amazing album, either way. I don't understand the hate for it. -------------  |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 17:39
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 18:30
I like this album, don't care what anyone says.
It's definitely better than their debut and their last 3 albums, and also ATTWT. I'd say it's the weakest of their albums that I like, but I do like it. Who Dunnit? is the only bad track IMO.
At first I didn't read that little part above, because I was about to say "WTF MAN WTF?". But I actually consider this one of their best albums. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 18:31
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And H to He? That's the best VDGG album ffs. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: ferush
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 18:39
| The Beatles and Rush don't have any bad album. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 16 2010 at 18:40
Excuse me for having an opinion.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: DAVE M
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 03:21
| The Big Generator by Yes was a sign they were running out of music but they redeemed themselves in 2001 with Magnification Zappa did a trio of 'albums' in the 80s Sleep Dirt and the like, but I believe that was just a contractual thing...allegedly |
Posted By: lensag
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 03:37
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A Momentary Lapse of Reason! ------------- "when routine bites hard and ambitions are low, and resentment rides high but emotions won´t grow And we´re changing our ways, taking different roads.. Then love, love will tear us apart again.." |
Posted By: Weirdamigo
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 04:42
I always loved AMLoR for some reason. The worst album in progressive rock must be The Final Cut!
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Posted By: lensag
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 05:27
No no no no no... i was answering to "worse album by a great prog band", not the worse in progressive rock....
But i totally disagree with you. The final cut is actually a pretty good album - in my opinion it is at least as good as "the wall" and way better than AMLoR. The only song i like is "sorrow" and i have to be in a good day .. I can´t listen to the first cds of Delicate sound of thunder and Prism because of it...
 And it is not any preference that i have for Waters because i really like The Division Bell (and waters singing sometimes is arghhhhhhhhh) ------------- "when routine bites hard and ambitions are low, and resentment rides high but emotions won´t grow And we´re changing our ways, taking different roads.. Then love, love will tear us apart again.." |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 05:39
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I like Waters and his vocals a lot, but The Final Cut is pretty boring, the best tracks are the ones left over from The Wall, had they been included on that album, they would have been considered filler.
That sums up the album pretty well, all the newer tracks are completely forgettable.
And I don't know what people are smoking when they say it's better than The Wall, I suspect that they're trying a little too hard to be different. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 05:44
| Final Cut is a piece of emotional writing dominated completely by Waters. Like The Wall, except it doesn't stop making any kind of sense half-way through and doesn't have massive amounts of filler. |
Posted By: lensag
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 06:02
2nd - I said: "at least as good as the wall"
3rd - i´m totaaly secure of my musical tastes and opinions and i am not a teen with a urge to be different.
4th - that said. I think that the final cut is a good album and as a whole it works probably better than the wall. the wall is full of fillers as someone said and i agree. However the wall has better songs, some of the best of PF (like Confortably Numb or Hey You). ------------- "when routine bites hard and ambitions are low, and resentment rides high but emotions won´t grow And we´re changing our ways, taking different roads.. Then love, love will tear us apart again.." |
Posted By: lensag
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 06:06
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oh and the someone was TGM: Orb!
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 12:13
  Love your humor. Might I suggest:
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 12:30
The Final Cut is amazing...
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 12:33
IMO The Wall is inconistent. The 1st disc blows, and the 2nd is amazing. The Final Cut is way more consistent and overall I do think it is better than The Wall. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 12:38
I don't understand the hate either. I find it gives you a taste of all the things Dream Theater are capable of. Also, what some call w**kery is here on this album, but when it's there it is a lot more controlled and musical rather than continuous shredding. The only fault I find are some cringeworthy lyrics. |
Posted By: Johnnytuba
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 12:58
Love your avatar! ------------- "The things that we're concealing, will never let us grow. Time will do its healing, you've got to let it go. |
Posted By: Johnnytuba
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 13:02
Yikes! I am a huge VDGG fan and through my experiences, you either love it or hate it. One of my co-workers is a big time prog fan but he cannot get into VDGG, I have tried time and again...I guess its doesn't click with everyone....me on the other hand, I cannot stand Dream Theatre..... ------------- "The things that we're concealing, will never let us grow. Time will do its healing, you've got to let it go. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 13:10
I must stress that is pretty good. And bearing that in mind I may have to deduct 1 from ELP------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 13:26
Personally I'd deduct 2
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 14:00
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 17:53
Blah. The best songs on the abum were the songs that weren't even considered good enough for The Wall.
The whole damn album is filler, that's not to say there aren't good songs, but even the best ones would have seemed subpar on The Wall. Not a bad album on it's own, but I'm talking by Pink Floyd standards.
The Wall does not have massive amounts of filler, at all. I'd say that only side 3 suffers from filler, everything between Hey You and Comfortably Numb.
The two best songs are Hero's Return and Your Possible Past, which were both Wall leftovers that could have easily been on that album.
The Post War Dream is also a highlight, wonderful solo by Gilmour. Those are the only 3 tracks I really like.
It's not a terrible album, I just find it mediocre. Not Now John is another one of the more memorable tracks, and that's just a clone of Young Lust. Overall I'd say the first half is pretty good but the second half is pretty damn weak.
A lot of the stuff I can't get into, songs like Fletcher Memorial Home and The Gunner's Dream are too soap opera-ish for my taste. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:19
The fu???
Are you freaking mad? The 1st disc pretty much rapes the 2nd. 1st disc has no filler while 2nd disc drags a little because of side 3. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:20
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The Final Cut > The Wall
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:22
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At being mediocre. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:22
The self-titled Genesis album... it still amazes me how crappy they've become. 
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Posted By: VanVanVan
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:24
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:26
Nope. While I rated both albums the same, I visit The Final Cut far more often than The Wall. In fact, I think the last time I listened to The Wall was when I reviewed it, which was over a year and a half ago. The Final Cut has genuine, lyrical poignancy, exceptional melodies, and powerful, emotional performances, as opposed to the angst-ridden, pseudo-psychotic theatrics of an overblown double album. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:35
I actually like that album a lot. The worst song is Illegal Alien and as a silly novelty song even that one doesn't bother me much. I think Mama and That's All are two of their best pop songs, Silver Rainbow is a great deep track and Second Home by the Sea is a groovy instrumental. It's not as good as Duke, but it is better than Abacab. Though I think that whole trilogy is overrated. They're the only 3 men era albums worth having, though ATTWT and IT have some solid tracks. We Can't Dance is the only album from that era I'd call downright terrible.
I can understand the dislike of that period in their career, but since I actually like 80s pop I actually like 80s Genesis, they weren't great like in the 70s, but they weren't as godawful as every prog fan would have you believe. Of all the prog bands who tried going pop, they were the one band that suceeded and I guess it's easy to hate a band when they're popular while people can just pretend like the crap Gentle Giant and Jethro Tull did never happened.
Also think it's annoying how Collins gets so much hate from prog fans, and also people who think the band ended with Gabriel. IMO Genesis were neither Peter's or Phil's band, it was always Tony and Mike's, they were the real leaders, songwriters and the guys who chose the direction of the band. If people are gonna blame somebody, blame them. Phil needs a break, poor guy. :( ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gandalff
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:36
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Generally it´s possible to say: the eighties ages of twentieth century are the cradle of weak, awful and unlistenable albums. Almost all Prog bands or artists founded in 60´s or 70´s have any "skeleton in a wardrobe".
For example:
Pink Floyd: The Final Cut
Genesis: Abacab
King Crimson. Beat
Camel: Stationary Traveller
Deep Purple: The House Of Blue Light
Renaissance: Time-Line
Jethro Tull: Under Wraps
Yes: 90125
Frank Zappa: Francesco Zappa
Mike Oldfield: Earth Moving
Uriah Heep: Equator
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:39
Waters and Gilmour both perform well on that album, and the lyrics are good. I disagree strongly about the melodies, there's hardly any at all on that record. The Wall by comparison had a lot of hooks. It's angsty and psychotic indeed, part of it's appeal actually. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:42
I never said I didn't like The Wall. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:45
I'm guilty of liking these. I do think 90125 was the beginning of the end for Yes, but on it's own it's a decent pop album. I still defend Abacab as being a pretty good pop album. I think Genesis did pop better than Yes for sure.
Beat is one of KC's weaker albums but I still rate it pretty well, it is a bit of a drop after Discipline. And while people here unsurprisingly tend to hate the very poppy Three of a Pefect Pair, I like that album a whole heck of a lot actually and consider it one of their most underrated. Beat is the weakest of the 80s trilogy and Heartbeat is probably the worst KC song ever, but the album still has some excellent tracks. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 18:48
Well, I didn't say there was nothing to like about The Final Cut. Like I said, I like 3 songs at least, and one song is alright despite just being a ripoff of one of The Wall's better songs.
If it was any other band, I'd say it was an admirable effort. But this is Pink Floyd and when compared to the 6 albums (yeah I'm including the super underrated Obscured by Clouds) that proceeded it, it just doesn't hold up.
Maybe I have a more sentimental attachment to The Wall because the themes are something I can relate to easier as I was an angsty teen. But I still find it rewarding to listen to today, side 3 being the only area that could have used some tightening up, like I said they could have took out Nobody Home, Very Lynn and Bring the Boys Back Home and add Hero's Return, Your Possible Past and The Final Cut.
Then they could have released The Post War Dream as a single and we wouldn't have to be bothered with the other songs. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 21:10
| One long time band here that's avoided mention is the Moody Blues. Their big stinker is "Octave". |
Posted By: HarmoniumQc
Date Posted: August 17 2010 at 21:53
| No you're not. I definately love it too though I don't think it's one of their best. I'm much more into Scenes and Images & Words. |
Posted By: smallpox11
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 14:57
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I'm only a casual Jethro Tull fan, but j-tull.com is so terrible.... A great marketing scheme for their website though.
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Posted By: GY!BE
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 21:24
Love Beach by ELP in comparison with the masterpieces they wrote before that...
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Posted By: GY!BE
Date Posted: August 19 2010 at 21:28
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And there's also Only Chaos Is Real from Heldon...complete disaster except for the lyrics: MATTER IS ILLUSION, ENERGY IS ILLUSION, WE ARE ILLUSION...pum tssi pum tssi pum tssi pum tssi ONLY CHAOS IS REAL....ONLY CHAOS IS REAL ------------- It is all a dream, a dream in death... |
Posted By: Rolf Bos
Date Posted: August 21 2010 at 20:16
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From all kinds of prog some of the worst albums:
Supertramp - Free as a bird Jan Akkerman - 3 Golden Earring - Keeper of the flame Pink Floyd - The final cut Metallica - St. Anger Kate Bush - The red shoes Deep Purple - The battle rages on In my opinion less worse but dubious: Yes - Union Doors - The soft parade Led Zeppelin - Presence Marillion - Radiation Iron Maiden - No prayer for the dying Black Sabbath - Never say die Klaus Schulze & Rainer Bloss - Drive inn Kansas - Power Queen - Hot space |
Posted By: Progatron
Date Posted: August 21 2010 at 20:31
   ------------- Genesis/Yes/Rush/Marillion/VDGG&PH/The Flower Kings/Zappa/Änglagård/Wobbler/PFM/Banco/Le Orme/Jethro Tull/Spock's Beard/Transatlantic/Ayreon/Beardfish/IQ/Dream Theater/Opeth/P.Tree/Arena/Camel/Kaipa! |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: August 21 2010 at 20:32
The first disc has plenty of filler and a few below average tracks. Disc 2 features some favourites of mine, like Hey You and The Trial (which is actually one of my favourite Floyd songs, oddly). |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 22 2010 at 06:54
Presence is awesome...to me at least. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: esky
Date Posted: August 22 2010 at 14:24
You're in for a pleasant surprise. A great last stab before things fell apart and Greg Lake's voice changed.
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: August 23 2010 at 12:26
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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 03:56
Nah son.
I enjoy all the tracks on disc one, even the shorter tracks that are meant to tie things together. Disc 2 gets bumpy between Hey You and Comfy Numb. I admit to liking Is There Anybody Out There, it's filler and that's irrefutable but it's a throwback to their old psychedelic stuff so I like it. Nobody Home is decent but very underwhelming compared to all the other stuff on this album. And Vera and Bring the Boys Back Home are easily the two worst songs on the album, they have nothing to do with the story and they have that soap opera-ish/over dramatic orchestration that was the big issue with The Final Cut.
Once Comfortably Numb kicks in, things pick up by a huge deal. In the Flesh, Run Like Hell and Waiting for the Worms are all great. And I really do love The Trial, it's like a surreal Wagnerian nightmare.
I think side 1, 2 and 4 are great. While side 3 only has two truly stand out tracks, and that's why I consider disc 2 the weaker one. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Gerinski
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 04:16
| Kansas Drastic Measures was a real low, worse than Power. |
Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: August 26 2010 at 08:30
I think so too, it's their least diverse album yes, but c'mon, worse than ITTOD and Coda?
Achilles Last Stand, Nobody's Fault But Mine and Tea for One makes that impossible. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/kingboobs/?chartstyle=LastfmSuicjdeGirls" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: August 26 2010 at 08:40
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All Kansas albums
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Posted By: DreamInSong
Date Posted: August 26 2010 at 16:05
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Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: August 26 2010 at 16:35
| Dream Theater- "Falling into Infinity" is Waaaaaaaay worse than "Systematic Chaos" |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 26 2010 at 16:43
Nope. I flirt with danger. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: August 26 2010 at 16:55
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the worst flirt with danger by a great prog fan so to say, eh?
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Posted By: Stonebolt
Date Posted: August 26 2010 at 20:14
| Someone has probably mentioned this already because it's kinda obvious. The Final Cut is a huge let down. A bitter end to a five album hot streak. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 27 2010 at 05:01
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Posted By: smbeck24
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 17:06
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"Talk" by Yes, far and away the worst album of their career. The only album of theirs I ever got rid of, there wasn't a single song on it worth listening to. Way too much garbage and influence from Trevor Rabin, who dumbed them down earlier and reached bottom on this one. "Love Beach" and "Russian Roulette" aren't far behind but ELP and Triumvirat were already on the slippery slope while Yes had still been fairly creative before letting Rabin have more say.l ------------- sb24 |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 17:18
I'm sure a lot here would disagree about Talk. It seems to have a lot of fans here of which I am one. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: jerryfurry
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 01:20
i was like is this elp with that love beach,its was a bad for the most part,the only thing with talking about was the epic |
Posted By: Mike_Zed
Date Posted: August 31 2010 at 05:36
The epic saves the album, or what's left of it. I'll go for VDGG's Still... nah, just kidding - The Quiet Zone - The Pleasure Dome. Sooooooooooo fu...ing boring. ------------- The Problems of the Future - Today! |
Posted By: LateralMe
Date Posted: November 04 2010 at 20:38
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The ConstruKtion of Light by King Crimson.
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Posted By: chrijom
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 15:30
So am I.
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Posted By: chrijom
Date Posted: December 12 2010 at 15:32
Yes, probably their weakest for me too.
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