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VanderGraafKommandöh 
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 Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:55 |
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Teenagers think they have to fit in. They pick what is popular with most people and go with it. Of course, most of them indeed like the music they listen to but I am sure there are some who really do just listen to a band because their mates do.
Unfortunately there are very few teenage scenes where prog or jazz is ever listened to and is thought of as popular.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:59 |
To add to the chorus, it has always been this way and always will be. People are always unwilling to try what you suggest to them and expect you to listen to their stuff with an open mind...which is just like you, duh!  It's nothing to do with today's teenagers. A very small percentage of people understand music (though a higher figure may listen to it) and a very small percentage of that in turn might share your tastes. If you are listening for your pleasure, what they listen to and their attitudes should not bother you.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:59 |
 jplanet wrote:
DT-PT wrote:
I am 15 years old myself, and I've noticed every band all of those I know like are either on the radio all the time or its some screamo band that everyone has heard of. I've noticed no one ever goes beyond these things or expand their horizons. They sit there listening to the same stuff and never think to check out anything.
Also, you try to introduce them to prog. If it's over 5 minutes, I often get complaints of it being incredibly long and get asked how I can possibly listen to something that long. Then they don't even give it a chance. The rare times they DO give it a chance, if the first minute has no lyrics, they complain that the whole thing is instrumental and say that a song without vocals is not music. What is that supposed to mean?
What are your guys' thoughts?
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Doesn't sound any different than teenagers of any generation. Prog pushed through to the mainstream in the 70's because, for a short time, it aligned with the post-hippie marijuana/LSD culture that was popular at the time.
But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well.
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I agree with the fact the metal crowd in schools are the most open-minded. Unfortunately, the metal crowd in my school is very small. My school is mostly rap and screamo dominated.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:01 |
jplanet wrote:
But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well.
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I don't think the metal crowd is all that open minded, having met a few of them regularly. The only open minded music listeners I find are those who don't give so much needless importance to the genre rather than the music itself and unfortunately, they has always been a small minority.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:03 |
James wrote:
but I am sure there are some who really do just listen to a band because their mates do.
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Well, until you start to understand enough about music to be able to pinpoint what you like in it, that's the only way, right? It's just like watching the TV series that everybody else at home or college is. They don't usually attach any more importance to music than that and it's we on the other side who keep bothering why they don't...duh, music is not for everyone.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:05 |
rogerthat wrote:
jplanet wrote:
But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well.
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I don't think the metal crowd is all that open minded, having met a few of them regularly. The only open minded music listeners I find are those who don't give so much needless importance to the genre rather than the music itself and unfortunately, they has always been a small minority.
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As a general rule, yes, I think the "metal crowd" is a very closed-minded group of people. Very exclusive and stubborn, in some ways even more so than the "mainstream crowd" (oh the terrors of the high school hallway...). But the exception is with music. I actually found my way into prog via metal, since the two have some very definite common ground. A Metallica fan may be an Iron Maiden fan may be a Dream Theater fan may be a Transatlantic fan may be a Flower Kings Fan may be a Yes fan etc. etc. etc...in that respect, yes, they are open-minded. In just about every other way, not so much.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:07 |
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^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music.
Edit: Now, many posts came in while I was still writing mine, so I was beaten into making my point about some Metal Fans. But I guess in the end it's still valid.
Edited by Dellinger - June 05 2010 at 23:14
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:07 |
rogerthat wrote:
jplanet wrote:
But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well.
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I don't think the metal crowd is all that open minded, having met a few of them regularly. The only open minded music listeners I find are those who don't give so much needless importance to the genre rather than the music itself and unfortunately, they has always been a small minority.
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Quite so. Many of my friends are metallers and the majority of them are close-minded when it comes to most music. Even some other metal bands. Especially those that I usually mention... none of my friends have heard of Agalloch for instance. I have a few friends who like Porcupine Tree, Anathema and Opeth (as well as Marillion and other neo-prog) but they don't know about Riverside (although I hope my mate Martin will check them out, as he promised he would). However, they're not teenagers.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:08 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
As a general rule, yes, I think the "metal crowd" is a very closed-minded group of people. Very exclusive and stubborn, in some ways even more so than the "mainstream crowd" (oh the terrors of the high school hallway...). But the exception is with music. I actually found my way into prog via metal, since the two have some very definite common ground. A Metallica fan may be an Iron Maiden fan may be a Dream Theater fan may be a Transatlantic fan may be a Flower Kings Fan may be a Yes fan etc. etc. etc...in that respect, yes, they are open-minded. In just about every other way, not so much. |
Well, in my experience, they don't like anything without riffs because for them, riffs = God. Something like that.  So maybe they branch out into prog metal through metal but that's usually just about it. I guess they are more open minded than the screamo crowd but still not very open minded at all. I know metalheads who don't even listen to 70s rock or metal because they are so besotted by the 80s crunchy tone. Think about that, they pass over all those great Sabbath albums even though they are right here waiting to be heard.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:09 |
Dellinger wrote:
^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music. |
You said it , I have heard them describe Bruce or Dio as effeminate.
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Tarquin Underspoon
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:09 |
Dellinger wrote:
^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music. |
See, but there your getting into that "screamo scene" that DT-PT was talking about. i'd argue there's a difference.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:11 |
James wrote:
Quite so. Many of my friends are metallers and the majority of them are close-minded when it comes to most music. Even some other metal bands. Especially those that I usually mention... none of my friends have heard of Agalloch for instance.
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Indeed, there's a lot of segmentation within metal. You have the extreme metal crowd, the power-prog crowd and the traditional crowd. Usually, all three find a common ground in Bay Area thrash but otherwise, they generally like to make fun of the bands that the other group listens to. "Power metal is gay" has been said so many times it's not even funny. 
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:12 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music. |
See, but there your getting into that "screamo scene" that DT-PT was talking about. i'd argue there's a difference. |
Not screamo, they like Bon Scott/UDO kind of vocals or just straight up punk shouts, growls and onwards. They can't take proper singing.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:14 |
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"Es ist übrigens unmöglich, eine Meinung zu haben, ohne dass es unerfreuliche Überschneidungen gibt. Die Grünen sind für den deutschen Wald, die NPD ebenfalls."
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:15 |
rogerthat wrote:
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music. |
See, but there your getting into that "screamo scene" that DT-PT was talking about. i'd argue there's a difference. |
Not screamo, they like Bon Scott/UDO kind of vocals or just straight up punk shouts, growls and onwards. They can't take proper singing.
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Well, yes, if melody is "gay" to you, I would say you're not likely to expand your musical horizons too much 
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:15 |
But Power Metal is gay. I have a mate who DJs at my local metal club and he's not too bad actually. He listens to Black Metal, Thrash, Black Sabbath, Ozzy, Pantera, Metallica, Slipknot, System of a Down, Rage Against the Machine and probably other stuff I don't know about. I don't know if he likes power metal though. But I also find a lot of metallers seem to like Michael Jackson... it's weird. Maybe it's due to Steve Vai.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:16 |
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'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:18 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
Well, yes, if melody is "gay" to you, I would say you're not likely to expand your musical horizons too much |
Yeah, anything 'mellow' is so un-metal and therefore s**ks. And as James says, they make the strangest choices when it comes to 'non-metal'. They tend to like glam/pop metal rather than classic rock.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:20 |
^ Well that's ok, we could take the Michael Jackson to Steve Vai to Frank Zappa route, that's not too bad a stretch, is it? 
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:22 |
At the metal club I frequent they seem to play Killswitch Engage's version more than Dio's now... This is sickening... 
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