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rogerthat 
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 Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:12 |
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^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music. |
See, but there your getting into that "screamo scene" that DT-PT was talking about. i'd argue there's a difference. |
Not screamo, they like Bon Scott/UDO kind of vocals or just straight up punk shouts, growls and onwards. They can't take proper singing. 
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:11 |
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Quite so. Many of my friends are metallers and the majority of them are close-minded when it comes to most music. Even some other metal bands. Especially those that I usually mention... none of my friends have heard of Agalloch for instance.
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Indeed, there's a lot of segmentation within metal. You have the extreme metal crowd, the power-prog crowd and the traditional crowd. Usually, all three find a common ground in Bay Area thrash but otherwise, they generally like to make fun of the bands that the other group listens to. "Power metal is gay" has been said so many times it's not even funny. 
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:09 |
Dellinger wrote:
^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music. |
See, but there your getting into that "screamo scene" that DT-PT was talking about. i'd argue there's a difference.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:09 |
Dellinger wrote:
^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music. |
You said it , I have heard them describe Bruce or Dio as effeminate.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:08 |
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
As a general rule, yes, I think the "metal crowd" is a very closed-minded group of people. Very exclusive and stubborn, in some ways even more so than the "mainstream crowd" (oh the terrors of the high school hallway...). But the exception is with music. I actually found my way into prog via metal, since the two have some very definite common ground. A Metallica fan may be an Iron Maiden fan may be a Dream Theater fan may be a Transatlantic fan may be a Flower Kings Fan may be a Yes fan etc. etc. etc...in that respect, yes, they are open-minded. In just about every other way, not so much. |
Well, in my experience, they don't like anything without riffs because for them, riffs = God. Something like that. So maybe they branch out into prog metal through metal but that's usually just about it. I guess they are more open minded than the screamo crowd but still not very open minded at all. I know metalheads who don't even listen to 70s rock or metal because they are so besotted by the 80s crunchy tone. Think about that, they pass over all those great Sabbath albums even though they are right here waiting to be heard.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:07 |
rogerthat wrote:
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But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well.
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I don't think the metal crowd is all that open minded, having met a few of them regularly. The only open minded music listeners I find are those who don't give so much needless importance to the genre rather than the music itself and unfortunately, they has always been a small minority.
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Quite so. Many of my friends are metallers and the majority of them are close-minded when it comes to most music. Even some other metal bands. Especially those that I usually mention... none of my friends have heard of Agalloch for instance. I have a few friends who like Porcupine Tree, Anathema and Opeth (as well as Marillion and other neo-prog) but they don't know about Riverside (although I hope my mate Martin will check them out, as he promised he would). However, they're not teenagers.
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Dellinger
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:07 |
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^ There are some metal fans that are incredibly close minded and if the music has any quiet moment or the singer is not "Tough enough" then it's gay music.
Edit: Now, many posts came in while I was still writing mine, so I was beaten into making my point about some Metal Fans. But I guess in the end it's still valid.
Edited by Dellinger - June 05 2010 at 23:14
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:05 |
rogerthat wrote:
jplanet wrote:
But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well.
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I don't think the metal crowd is all that open minded, having met a few of them regularly. The only open minded music listeners I find are those who don't give so much needless importance to the genre rather than the music itself and unfortunately, they has always been a small minority.
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As a general rule, yes, I think the "metal crowd" is a very closed-minded group of people. Very exclusive and stubborn, in some ways even more so than the "mainstream crowd" (oh the terrors of the high school hallway...). But the exception is with music. I actually found my way into prog via metal, since the two have some very definite common ground. A Metallica fan may be an Iron Maiden fan may be a Dream Theater fan may be a Transatlantic fan may be a Flower Kings Fan may be a Yes fan etc. etc. etc...in that respect, yes, they are open-minded. In just about every other way, not so much.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:03 |
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but I am sure there are some who really do just listen to a band because their mates do.
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Well, until you start to understand enough about music to be able to pinpoint what you like in it, that's the only way, right? It's just like watching the TV series that everybody else at home or college is. They don't usually attach any more importance to music than that and it's we on the other side who keep bothering why they don't...duh, music is not for everyone.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 23:01 |
jplanet wrote:
But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well.
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I don't think the metal crowd is all that open minded, having met a few of them regularly. The only open minded music listeners I find are those who don't give so much needless importance to the genre rather than the music itself and unfortunately, they has always been a small minority.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:59 |
jplanet wrote:
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I am 15 years old myself, and I've noticed every band all of those I know like are either on the radio all the time or its some screamo band that everyone has heard of. I've noticed no one ever goes beyond these things or expand their horizons. They sit there listening to the same stuff and never think to check out anything.
Also, you try to introduce them to prog. If it's over 5 minutes, I often get complaints of it being incredibly long and get asked how I can possibly listen to something that long. Then they don't even give it a chance. The rare times they DO give it a chance, if the first minute has no lyrics, they complain that the whole thing is instrumental and say that a song without vocals is not music. What is that supposed to mean?
What are your guys' thoughts?
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Doesn't sound any different than teenagers of any generation. Prog pushed through to the mainstream in the 70's because, for a short time, it aligned with the post-hippie marijuana/LSD culture that was popular at the time.
But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well.
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I agree with the fact the metal crowd in schools are the most open-minded. Unfortunately, the metal crowd in my school is very small. My school is mostly rap and screamo dominated.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:59 |
To add to the chorus, it has always been this way and always will be. People are always unwilling to try what you suggest to them and expect you to listen to their stuff with an open mind...which is just like you, duh!  It's nothing to do with today's teenagers. A very small percentage of people understand music (though a higher figure may listen to it) and a very small percentage of that in turn might share your tastes. If you are listening for your pleasure, what they listen to and their attitudes should not bother you.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:55 |
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Teenagers think they have to fit in. They pick what is popular with most people and go with it. Of course, most of them indeed like the music they listen to but I am sure there are some who really do just listen to a band because their mates do.
Unfortunately there are very few teenage scenes where prog or jazz is ever listened to and is thought of as popular.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:54 |
DT-PT wrote:
I am 15 years old myself, and I've noticed every band all of those I know like are either on the radio all the time or its some screamo band that everyone has heard of. I've noticed no one ever goes beyond these things or expand their horizons. They sit there listening to the same stuff and never think to check out anything.
Also, you try to introduce them to prog. If it's over 5 minutes, I often get complaints of it being incredibly long and get asked how I can possibly listen to something that long. Then they don't even give it a chance. The rare times they DO give it a chance, if the first minute has no lyrics, they complain that the whole thing is instrumental and say that a song without vocals is not music. What is that supposed to mean?
What are your guys' thoughts?
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Doesn't sound any different than teenagers of any generation. Prog pushed through to the mainstream in the 70's because, for a short time, it aligned with the post-hippie marijuana/LSD culture that was popular at the time. But, it could also be that you're just hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;-) I usually found that the "metal" crowd in high school tended to be the most open-minded about music, and on many other levels as well.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:50 |
javier0889 wrote:
DT-PT wrote:
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
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Y'see, the kids, they listen to the screamo music, which gives them the brain damage. With their screamin' and their scrammin', and their bippin', and their boppin'... so they don't know what the prog is all about! You see, prog is like a Jello Pudding pop — no! Actually, it's more like Kodak film — no! Actually, prog is like the new Coke; it'll be around forever! Heh heh heh... |
I had an uncle named Stewie, and he used to sell prog albums.
....yeah teenagers have always been stupid and stubborn and closed-minded and followers of fads. Now here's a question for you: would you prefer that every teenage dolt around the world were real big into VdGG, Can, and Meshuggah? I sure don't, that would take half the fun out of it  |
Thats true. I guess I sort of enjoy being different from my peers. Still, their close-mindedness bugs me. :\ |
In fact, scene kids tend to think YOU are the one who's being close minded, because you think all of their music sucks. They will look at you and say that, if you like Tull or Yes, you listen to "music for dads", stuff that "no one cares about", instead of what's popular at the time, and hence, "good".
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Most of the kids never even heard of Tull or Yes believe it or not... >_>
The thing is that I've given these genres numerous chances but it just never seems to appeal to me. You are right in the sense they view me as close-minded, but I don't think they realize what close-minded means. Just not liking a genre isn't being close-minded. Saying everything that goes a minute without vocals is instrumental and instrumentals are not music is close-minded.
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:49 |
But JT and Yes is music for Dads...
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:47 |
But we havn't met in real life 
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:47 |
javier0889 wrote:
DT-PT wrote:
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Y'see, the kids, they listen to the screamo music, which gives them the brain damage. With their screamin' and their scrammin', and their bippin', and their boppin'... so they don't know what the prog is all about! You see, prog is like a Jello Pudding pop — no! Actually, it's more like Kodak film — no! Actually, prog is like the new Coke; it'll be around forever! Heh heh heh... |
I had an uncle named Stewie, and he used to sell prog albums.
....yeah teenagers have always been stupid and stubborn and closed-minded and followers of fads. Now here's a question for you: would you prefer that every teenage dolt around the world were real big into VdGG, Can, and Meshuggah? I sure don't, that would take half the fun out of it |
Thats true. I guess I sort of enjoy being different from my peers. Still, their close-mindedness bugs me. :\ |
In fact, scene kids tend to think YOU are the one who's being close minded, because you think all of their music sucks. They will look at you and say that, if you like Tull or Yes, you listen to "music for dads", stuff that "no one cares about", instead of what's popular at the time, and hence, "good".
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And to think that Tull and Yes were relatively big with the kids in their time
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:45 |
DT-PT wrote:
Tarquin Underspoon wrote:
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
Y'see, the kids, they listen to the screamo music, which gives them the brain damage. With their screamin' and their scrammin', and their bippin', and their boppin'... so they don't know what the prog is all about! You see, prog is like a Jello Pudding pop — no! Actually, it's more like Kodak film — no! Actually, prog is like the new Coke; it'll be around forever! Heh heh heh... |
I had an uncle named Stewie, and he used to sell prog albums.
....yeah teenagers have always been stupid and stubborn and closed-minded and followers of fads. Now here's a question for you: would you prefer that every teenage dolt around the world were real big into VdGG, Can, and Meshuggah? I sure don't, that would take half the fun out of it |
Thats true. I guess I sort of enjoy being different from my peers. Still, their close-mindedness bugs me. :\ |
In fact, scene kids tend to think YOU are the one who's being close
minded, because you think all of their music sucks. They will look at
you and say that, if you like Tull or Yes, you listen to "music for dads", stuff that "no one
cares about", instead of what's popular at the time, and hence, "good".
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Posted: June 05 2010 at 22:45 |
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Though I've yet to meet someone who didn't enjoy at least one side of Opeth  |
I don't care for them at all.
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