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    Posted: May 03 2010 at 18:37
Just curious if anyone has ever thought this after listening to self titled, demon days and plastic beach? the main reasons would be that all albums throw a bunch of different styles and instruments together, the last two albums are thematic, and their is definitely some atmospheric soundscapes elements to the last two albums. But I guess one could just call them experimental or avaunt- gard hip hop

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Points: 4160 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 03 2010 at 19:33
I don't think Gorillaz have enough credibility to ever appear on PA, but I certainly thought of prog rock while listening to some of their keyboard soundscapes.
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Points: 4373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2010 at 01:25
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2010 at 01:53
Electronic artists often use soundscapes. If that's the criteria for being in PA now, we're better get to work adding 100,000 artists.
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Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2010 at 02:23

Walter, we of course appreciate your opinion (ahem), but you're not right. He's not suggesting anything, otherwise he would have posted this in "Suggest New Bands" thread, or have rules been changes since I've last looked ?

He's just thinking about if there are some elements of Prog, or at least that's how I understand his post.

I too don't think that Gorillaz will ever be here, nor I want them here. But how I remember them (I listened them let's say 4 years ago), there are some nice soundscapes and when we're at it so also landscapes. It's certainly not normal hip-hop, it's not normal alt rock and even I don't listen this music anymore, I somehow appreciate Demon Days, album that I know.
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Points: 1327 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2010 at 02:26
ProgArchives has a category called Progressive Electronic.

Gorillaz is far from progressive eletronic.

Hip hop is almost never accepted on this site. Actually if you google "progressive hip hop" you won't find anything, because nobody is producing anything in that genre.

Gorillaz's related group Deltron 3030, however, are sometimes called progressive. You can hear a lot of exploration and intelligence in that music.
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Points: 1072 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 04 2010 at 18:43
That stupid anime band... urgh Dead

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Points: 36 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 15:41
Not familiar with Gorillaz, but I think there is something that unites what I see as good hip hop and good prog rock. The Problemadicts "Dark Side of Oz,", a concept album that both raps about and samples Pink Floyd and the Wizard of Oz, is a great example of this. On my own recent project, It's Pronounced "Forty Two" I use samples from Pink Floyd and the Alan Parsons Project and I plan to use more prog rock in sampling in the future because it sounds so awesome.
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They're quite innovative, just a bit boring.

That said I watched some of their Glastonbury set on the TV last night. Looked like quite a good show.
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:39
I really dig their music, but they are in no way 'prog' in the traditional sense.

I'm so sick of genre labeling, though. Seriously. Who cares if your favorite band gets listed here or not? Does that somehow mean you can't like them any longer? 
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Points: 377 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:44

They are kinda proggy and innovative.

Again how does prog sound?
 
Tangerine Dream and Marillion are prog but sound very different!
I think Prog is more a way of thinking and doing things than a certain type of sound.
 
If prog is about creativity then Gorillaz is prog.
 
I would say they are 20% prog 80%Hip Hop/ Rap 
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Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 17:33

Of course that Prog isn't just about creativity and about being innovative. Would you call Bjork Prog ? Well, she's not here and she will have hell of a time to get here.

What is Prog ? I don't know. Would Gorillaz get here ? No, this time I know it for sure.

You'll learn to think that way sooner or later here.

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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:24

I think the problem here is that Gorillaz aren't even particularly hip-hop. Yes there are elements of hip-hop, especially in production, but it's only tangential. I would call them prog-pop, a genre that doesn't exist on PA and probably shouldn't because it's pop music first, albeit pop with atypical and experimental elements, not prog rock.

There are many other examples of acts I would call progressive hip-hop far before Gorillaz and if you look for some of the recent rap threads in this forum, you'll see me going on about them incessantly.
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:25
^ We already have Prog-Pop, in a way. It's called Crossover. 
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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:30
Yeah but Bjork for example is clearly prog-pop but she's still not here. Why? Objection seems to be that she's not rock and this is a prog "rock" site. Crossover seems to be only for rock bands.
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Points: 6795 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:48
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Objection seems to be that she's not rock and this is a prog "rock" site.
lol then why do we have ELP?
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 07:51
Crossover is prog-mainstream rather than prog-pop, though.
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Points: 8138 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 08:41
Originally posted by CinemaZebra CinemaZebra wrote:

Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Objection seems to be that she's not rock and this is a prog "rock" site.
lol then why do we have ELP?


From what I know, ELP is a rock band with some classical music themes here and there.

Remember also that electronic music (which is part of PA cf Ash Ra Tempel, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze...) bears very little in common with rock music, rather with Stockhausen's electro-acoustic experimentations.



Edited by lucas - June 27 2010 at 08:44
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Points: 45 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 09:04
When I watched their Glastonbury set last night I thought there was definitly some prog in there
 
mostly the fact that all of the songs conveyed a concept rather than just a simple pop song, they used video and light show much in the same way that pink floyd did
 
It seemed much more about the music and not about the showmanship, you could hardly even see the musicians 
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2010 at 10:20
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

Crossover is prog-mainstream rather than prog-pop, though.

Pop comes from the word 'Popular', which is mainstream. Wink
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