Gorillaz, Prog Related Hip Hop?
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Topic: Gorillaz, Prog Related Hip Hop?
Posted By: TheLastBaron
Subject: Gorillaz, Prog Related Hip Hop?
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 18:37
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Just curious if anyone has ever thought this after listening to self titled, demon days and plastic beach? the main reasons would be that all albums throw a bunch of different styles and instruments together, the last two albums are thematic, and their is definitely some atmospheric soundscapes elements to the last two albums. But I guess one could just call them experimental or avaunt- gard hip hop
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: May 03 2010 at 19:33
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I don't think Gorillaz have enough credibility to ever appear on PA, but I certainly thought of prog rock while listening to some of their keyboard soundscapes.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 01:25
| Sorry, I just had swallow some vomit. What's next, is gonna suggest Blur? |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 01:53
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Electronic artists often use soundscapes. If that's the criteria for being in PA now, we're better get to work adding 100,000 artists. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 02:23
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Walter, we of course appreciate your opinion (ahem), but you're not right. He's not suggesting anything, otherwise he would have posted this in "Suggest New Bands" thread, or have rules been changes since I've last looked ? He's just thinking about if there are some elements of Prog, or at least that's how I understand his post. I too don't think that Gorillaz will ever be here, nor I want them here. But how I remember them (I listened them let's say 4 years ago), there are some nice soundscapes and when we're at it so also landscapes. It's certainly not normal hip-hop, it's not normal alt rock and even I don't listen this music anymore, I somehow appreciate Demon Days, album that I know. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: paganinio
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 02:26
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ProgArchives has a category called Progressive Electronic. Gorillaz is far from progressive eletronic. Hip hop is almost never accepted on this site. Actually if you google "progressive hip hop" you won't find anything, because nobody is producing anything in that genre. Gorillaz's related group Deltron 3030, however, are sometimes called progressive. You can hear a lot of exploration and intelligence in that music. ------------- 
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Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: May 04 2010 at 18:43
That stupid anime band... urgh  Not over my dead bloated body [Note: haven't 'eard a note from em'] |
Posted By: Nerd42
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 15:41
| Not familiar with Gorillaz, but I think there is something that unites what I see as good hip hop and good prog rock. The Problemadicts http://www.undergroundhiphop.com/store/detail.asp?UPC=MM003CD - "Dark Side of Oz," , a concept album that both raps about and samples Pink Floyd and the Wizard of Oz, is a great example of this. On my own recent project, http://djnerd42.blogspot.com/2010/04/its-pronounced-forty-two-bonus-track.html - It's Pronounced "Forty Two" I use samples from http://fairtilizer.com/track/breathe42 - Pink Floyd and the http://fairtilizer.com/track/merry-go-round42 - Alan Parsons Project and I plan to use more prog rock in sampling in the future because it sounds so awesome. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:00
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They're quite innovative, just a bit boring.
That said I watched some of their Glastonbury set on the TV last night. Looked like quite a good show. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:39
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I really dig their music, but they are in no way 'prog' in the traditional sense. I'm so sick of genre labeling, though. Seriously. Who cares if your favorite band gets listed here or not? Does that somehow mean you can't like them any longer?
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Posted By: Anirml
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 16:44
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They are kinda proggy and innovative. Again how does prog sound?
Tangerine Dream and Marillion are prog but sound very different!
I think Prog is more a way of thinking and doing things than a certain type of sound.
If prog is about creativity then Gorillaz is prog.
I would say they are 20% prog 80%Hip Hop/ Rap ------------- 
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 17:33
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Of course that Prog isn't just about creativity and about being innovative. Would you call Bjork Prog ? Well, she's not here and she will have hell of a time to get here. What is Prog ? I don't know. Would Gorillaz get here ? No, this time I know it for sure. You'll learn to think that way sooner or later here. You don't make rules here, I don't make rules here. We follow them. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:24
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I think the problem here is that Gorillaz aren't even particularly hip-hop. Yes there are elements of hip-hop, especially in production, but it's only tangential. I would call them prog-pop, a genre that doesn't exist on PA and probably shouldn't because it's pop music first, albeit pop with atypical and experimental elements, not prog rock. There are many other examples of acts I would call progressive hip-hop far before Gorillaz and if you look for some of the recent rap threads in this forum, you'll see me going on about them incessantly.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:25
| ^ We already have Prog-Pop, in a way. It's called Crossover. |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:30
| Yeah but Bjork for example is clearly prog-pop but she's still not here. Why? Objection seems to be that she's not rock and this is a prog "rock" site. Crossover seems to be only for rock bands. |
Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 26 2010 at 21:48
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Textbook wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 07:51
| Crossover is prog-mainstream rather than prog-pop, though. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 08:41
From what I know, ELP is a rock band with some classical music themes here and there. Remember also that electronic music (which is part of PA cf Ash Ra Tempel, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze...) bears very little in common with rock music, rather with Stockhausen's electro-acoustic experimentations. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: wreckfan1
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 09:04
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When I watched their Glastonbury set last night I thought there was definitly some prog in there
mostly the fact that all of the songs conveyed a concept rather than just a simple pop song, they used video and light show much in the same way that pink floyd did
It seemed much more about the music and not about the showmanship, you could hardly even see the musicians
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 10:20
Pop comes from the word 'Popular', which is mainstream.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 10:25
Yeah I know that, duh. However Textbook was talking about the difference between rock and pop, so when you replied him it looked like you were acknowledging that context, not the sociological one.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 10:33
Wasn't prog popular in its heydays ? Genesis, Yes, ELP, KC all charted back in the seventies. To some extent, you could say that prog rock (not sure the term was used in the seventies), was popular music then. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 10:57
And I would agree with you. I believe there was even an issue of Melody Maker calling Yes ''The people's band!''. And some Prog is still popular today (Radiohead, Tool, The Mars Volta, Peter Gabriel). But if we are gonna talk about Pop the musical style, I would say the closest thing to 'Prog-Pop' we may have here is Crossover. Since a lot of Xover bands have heavy Pop undertones, it makes the most sense that some of those groups would appeal to the mainstream. In other words, I'm saying we don't need a 'Prog-Pop' section on the site. Xover is good enough.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 11:08
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^ Art-pop is often used to describe pop bands/artists with some progressive leanings (Kate Bush, Dalbello, 10 CC, Peter Gabriel, Tori Amos, David Bowie, late Beatles, Barclay James Harvest, Björk). ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: June 27 2010 at 11:36
| Okay . . . and your point is? |
Posted By: Nerd42
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 15:51
| i liek pie |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 16:00
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 16:02
i pee ilk i I don't know much about Gorillaz, besides the excellent music videos I've seen. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 11:44
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Here's our Crossover Prog band byron doing a great cover of Gorillaz' Feel Good Inc. in their early days: And here's a Prince cover while we're at it: http://www.trilulilu.ro/transp/6473977e90779c - http://www.trilulilu.ro/transp/6473977e90779c  |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: August 18 2010 at 17:20
| Thing I like about Albarn, and you can see it both in Gorillaz and his label Honest Jon's, is that he has no regard for genre. If he likes it, in it goes. |