Pink Floyd vs. Porcupine Tree

Gee, there's so many PT haters on this site. As a fan of Floyd and PT, I feel a little sad...

Love PT's times flies, but how can you compare PT's Dog with a PT tune?  Pink is the masters.

Edited by darksideof - February 03 2010 at 09:52

A Jazz fan and a good friend of mine says that PT is making the great albums of what pink floyd left off!!

Edited by darksideof - February 05 2010 at 10:59

"Dogs" without a doubt.  I'm a huge PT fan, but even I can't really see what all the fuss is about with "Time Flies".  It's a pretty average song by PT standards (which are admittedly high).

jampa17 wrote: darksideof wrote: A Jazz fan and a good friend of mine says that PT is making took of what pink floyd left off!!       A friend of mine who only likes alternative/ indie rock said that PT was a great alternative rock band... and that's what it is... just that...

darksideof wrote:   Kashmir75 wrote: Gee, there's so many PT haters on this site. As a fan of Floyd and PT, I feel a little sad... I love Dogs and Time Flies, so I honestly don't know which way to vote.  wooooow!!! that wasn't the point.. PT is the future of prog as we speak!

Edited by Camel666 - February 04 2010 at 04:13

Dogs. No contest.

Sckxyss wrote: darksideof wrote:   Kashmir75 wrote: Gee, there's so many PT haters on this site. As a fan of Floyd and PT, I feel a little sad... I love Dogs and Time Flies, so I honestly don't know which way to vote.  wooooow!!! that wasn't the point.. PT is the future of prog as we speak!  PT are okay, but let's not get carried away here..

Zargus wrote: Porcupine Tree is yust a bad Pink Floyd / Radiohead clone, dont understand what so special about em? i dont think they are any prog at all, they dont do anything new or intresting, i got 3 albums by em and they bore me to death. Steven Wilson yust sound whiny and anoying. If thats the leading and biggest prog band right now, there cant be much of a future for prog....

The Incident is the first time (since I first heard P Tree on Sky Moves Sideways) that my reaction is less than positive. Wjile I quite like that album SW has also said he regretted making it ("as PF were no longer making albums like that") he thought he would.

So a bit obviously derivative no matter how well intended and well made (which it is.)

Then came that slew of albums. Signify and Deadwing being the most substantial with the bonus surprise of Recordings having the best of the rejetcs from the previous two and trumping them (IMHO.) Liked FOABP alot and the Nil Recurring (Ep?.)

Now The Incident.

Oh dear. Bored. And again. No melodies, no strong themes, no expansive harmonies, no riifs, no hooks, no lyrics anywhere near as compelling as In Absentia and no interest in ROIO recordings from the tours (a disturbing sign for me.) Took the needle off the CD and the desire to revisit has nil recurred.

I am willing to realise I am oh so wrong. But as for Tempus Fugit (Ooops I mean Time Flies...) if it's a homage to Dogs it's not great. A spot of autobiographical indulgence. In fact had this album been outtakes I doubt I'd be more than curious. What a disappointment. Imagine having to tour and play this tedium on tour.

Slightly digressing but due tio the Radiohead mention I thought of my reaction to OK Computer (the Radio head masterpiece) and what I thought was their unwillingness to develop interesting themes in songs musicially as it may regard them in a prog rock light - kill them in the press by requiring the press to listen and understand something that has to fir their own abbreviated attention spans. So, bit of a shame and I feel no need to get that. Kid A was far more interesting in it's (IMHO) outright influence of RIO type bands while still eschewing virtuosity they still made a creative intersting album.

P Tree were leagues ahead of the media and public influenced Radio-(please don't think we're prog)-head  compared to SW finally admitting - like it's shame ful - that P Tree are Progressive rock) and more courageous. They had songs, works, melodies, Up The Downstair alone puts P Tree in the pantheon of the greats (and this album was isolated by PF derived compromise until Signify / Metanoia.)

Now they made a sub Radiohead type album and Time Drags, oops again, I mean Flies... it's patchy at best. A vague approximation (I thought it was having a piece of Sheep) but that hardly matters. What does matter is having the lynchpin piece being so fan boy intended. Wholly inappropriate intention for what was supposed to be an epic of Incidents. Reminds me of Joeseph Catch-22 Heller's novel "Something Happened' - why? Because NOTHING happened. A non Incident.

There's been a lot of negativity expressed about this album, possibly more than even FOABP. The next album hopefully will be more interesting. I do care about P Tree, but not about this release.

PF's Animals and Dogs is all wonderful of course. Timeless classic.  My hopes for Wilson are still high. But I think he may need to focus energies and not spend so much time being influenced by Fripp on ROIOs and doing his surround mixes and his other bands' pursuits.

I know, this is a  longwinded post but I am into prog rock after all.