Pink Floyd vs. Porcupine Tree
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Topic: Pink Floyd vs. Porcupine Tree
Posted By: Misomex777
Subject: Pink Floyd vs. Porcupine Tree
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 20:11
| Do you prefer Porcupine Tree's "Time Flies" (The Incident) or the original, Pink Floyd's "Dogs" from Animals? |
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Posted By: alanight
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 20:14
| Well, of course Dogs is better... An obvious choice. |
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 21:28
Dogs is an incredible piece of original music. time Flies is an incredible piece of not-so-original music. Went with Pink Floyd  ------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 21:35
| Dogs is better than any PT song |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 21:45
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I loved Time Flies the first time i heard it, so Dogs it is. ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 21:56
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I refuse to vote because this poll perpetuates the myth that these two songs share any similarity besides strummed 16th notes.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 22:00
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stonebeard wrote:Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 22:12
| Time Flies by PT is a good song, but Dogs by the Floyd is a great song! Although I listen to PT alot more than the Floyd. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 22:13
Me neither, but since I prefer Pink Floyd I voted anyway. |
Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 03:05
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Steve Wison is a huge Pink Floyd fan and Animals was his first love - the album that really cemented his love of progressive rock. As such Time Flies is SW paying homage to Animals, both Sheep and Dogs as a matter of fact. It is his favourite album and seems very autobiographical. For me, it's the best of part of a simply sensational album, the best PT have released in an awful long time. Whist it's highly influenced by the Floyd classics, I don't see it as a rip-off as some do, more as a tribute and a reflection of his own progressive rock initiation and development.
Interestingly, the lyrics (which are typically excellent) are very Floyd-like too. I'm thinking Time from DSOTM. Very nostalgic and melancholy. Anyone agree?
Animals has always been my favourite Floyd album too. Much as I love Time Flies, it has to be Dogs.
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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 03:24
| I haven't heard the Porcupine Tree track. I can say I like Pink Floyd more then Porcupine Tree. I didn't vote. |
Posted By: dedokras
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 05:42
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Dogs of course
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Posted By: domizia
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 08:22
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I thought Steven Wilson's fav Pink Floyd album was The Final Cut. ------------- RPI=> http://www.camelotclubprog.net" rel="nofollow - Camelot Club Prog ...but also> http://www.maracash.com" rel="nofollow - MaRaCash records. |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 09:33
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Porcupine Tree is yust a bad Pink Floyd / Radiohead clone, dont understand what so special about em? i dont think they are any prog at all, they dont do anything new or intresting, i got 3 albums by em and they bore me to death. Steven Wilson yust sound whiny and anoying. If thats the leading and biggest prog band right now, there cant be much of a future for prog.... ------------- 
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 15:07
Well said and I couldn't agree more.
For me Time Flies is a welcome return to PT's earlier PF influences. Porcupine Tree haven't sounded like PF for a long time now. Not that I want them to.
I rarely listen to PF anymore but when I do it is either Meddle or Animals - my two favourites.
It would be near on impossible to vote for anything other than Dogs. Despite me singing the opening line to Time Flies almost constantly !  ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Citizen Erased
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 15:50
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Times Flies is one of the worst songs on The Incident. I've no idea why anybody would call it "epic". ------------- And lo, the mighty riffage was played and it was good 
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 16:02
Man... you speak with wisdom indeed...!!!  ------------- |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 16:59
Oooh such nastiness from the SW haters !
 ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Morningrise
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 17:54
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Dogs. Really easy. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 23:11
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[PT fanboyism] PT haters get out of this ....yeah, I still voted for Dogs.  ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
thread! [/PT fanboyism]Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 00:59
Gee, there's so many PT haters on this site. As a fan of Floyd and PT, I feel a little sad... I love Dogs and Time Flies, so I honestly don't know which way to vote. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: b4usleep
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 09:37
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Actually it's hard to find an opponent for dogs.
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 09:47
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Love PT's times flies, but how can you compare PT's Dog with a PT tune? Pink is the masters. PT's career was highly inspired by the music of Pink Floyd and Steve wilson wouldn't where he is ( musically speaking) if it wasn't for Pink Floyd. Beside Roger wrote better lyrics. and Gilmour's paying has more soul than Steve Wilson, But don't get me wrong PT os my favorite band of today prog. I have all their records and I have seem them live since 1999. but pink foyd is pink foyd....  ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 10:04
wooooow!!!  that wasn't the point.. PT is the future of prog as we speak! ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 10:06
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A Jazz fan and a good friend of mine says that PT is making the great albums of what pink floyd left off!! ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 10:16
  A friend of mine who only likes alternative/ indie rock said that PT was a great alternative rock band... and that's what it is... just that... ------------- |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 12:21
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"Dogs" without a doubt. I'm a huge PT fan, but even I can't really see what all the fuss is about with "Time Flies". It's a pretty average song by PT standards (which are admittedly high). ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 15:16
Know what? If the National Lottery or the horses were as easy to predict as the result of this poll, I would be a seriously rich man by now
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Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 15:48
I don't think Steven Wilson would deny that either. At various times in his career he has denied being a prog rock band.
The fact that the band can be labelled "great" in any category is a great achievement. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 20:05
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I don't really care if people think PT are prog or not. It's the music that counts. If something is a good band, I'll listen to it, whether its 'prog' or not. I think they've made enough prog-related material to justify being on this website. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Camel666
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 03:06
I *love* PT -I truly do- but calling them "the future of prog" just shows how much they are overrated. They are a good band that *sometimes* writes VERY excellent pieces of music. They are not consistent though and often tend to lose their focus, becoming... well, plainly boring. Not much "progression" in their music as well and IMHO they lack personality. If the future of prog sounded like PT, I might just start to only listen to music made before 1976, because there wouldn't be a point in listening to "new" stuff. As to the question of this poll... well, is it for real?  Now if the question was between Dogs and, say, Opeth's Deliverance, now that would have been interesting. The past vs. the future. As it is, it's the past vs. a faded copy. I wonder who the four guys who voted for Time Flies are  PS: I have been pretty harsh towards PT and I know they don't deserve it. Is it evident that I think "the Incident" is a pile of overindulgent rubbish?
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Posted By: Kyle McTreehugger
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 18:25
------------- One Nation Under Prog! |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 18:30
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Dogs. No contest.
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: February 05 2010 at 01:41
PT are okay, but let's not get carried away here.. |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: February 05 2010 at 11:04
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: February 05 2010 at 11:30
O let me make myself Clear! Maybe I did go overboard with PT by saying that they are the future of prog.
but what I am about to say I am very clear about ( well. it is just my personal opinion jee!). back in the early 90's was prog was pretty dead in my ears. It was PT that brought me and many of my friends back to listen to prog and realised that it was dead. I was pretty much only into 70's prog and only I was listening to jazz/ and fusion the 90's, Then one day I read an article inPink Floyd's brain Damage Fanzine about Porcupine tree's Sky Moves Side ways and Signify.I was so moved by this encouraging and praised article, that I was in a hurry to listen to this band but with no luck.
2 years went and I finally got a promotional copy of Signify that I got from a used record store, As you might know back in those days we weren't spoil as we are now. There was no goggle as I know and I have no knowledge of the computer's world or the worldwide web. it extremely hard to get their albums or any albums back them. I think they weren't even signed yet to a record labels. if I am not mistaken becuase you couldn't find their albums anywhere not even as import. I managed to get their albums at a tiny place in NYC back in 1999 when I fist saw them for the first time. was I happy or what? I loved this band since the first time I heard them. Maybe becuase they sounded liked a moderm version of PK maybe? to get back my point I really love this from day one and I my love for prog was saved. I rapidly introduced them to my dear prog friends from the Dominican Republic, which included my dear uncle who introduced to prog in the early days.. Each and one of them to these days still love PT and it is their #1 as prog is concern. and I guess that is why I said that they are the future of prog
 maybe I should say that PT Saved Prog In The Dominican Republic. ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Qboyy007
Date Posted: February 08 2010 at 18:07
I've never ever heard someone call Porcupine Tree a Radiohead clone. They share nothing in common whatsoever. Regardless, I must say Dogs is one of the only pieces of PF I really enjoy, and even though Time Flies is a great song, I believe Dogs to be one of the greatest songs of all time. ------------- Hay Budday |
Posted By: cesar polo
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 02:34
| This is not a serious poll. The result speaks for itself |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 02:43
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The Incident is the first time (since I first heard P Tree on Sky Moves Sideways) that my reaction is less than positive. Wjile I quite like that album SW has also said he regretted making it ("as PF were no longer making albums like that") he thought he would. So a bit obviously derivative no matter how well intended and well made (which it is.) Then came that slew of albums. Signify and Deadwing being the most substantial with the bonus surprise of Recordings having the best of the rejetcs from the previous two and trumping them (IMHO.) Liked FOABP alot and the Nil Recurring (Ep?.) Now The Incident. Oh dear. Bored. And again. No melodies, no strong themes, no expansive harmonies, no riifs, no hooks, no lyrics anywhere near as compelling as In Absentia and no interest in ROIO recordings from the tours (a disturbing sign for me.) Took the needle off the CD  and the desire to revisit has nil recurred. I am willing to realise I am oh so wrong. But as for Tempus Fugit (Ooops I mean Time Flies...) if it's a homage to Dogs it's not great. A spot of autobiographical indulgence. In fact had this album been outtakes I doubt I'd be more than curious. What a disappointment. Imagine having to tour and play this tedium on tour. Slightly digressing but due tio the Radiohead mention I thought of my reaction to OK Computer (the Radio head masterpiece) and what I thought was their unwillingness to develop interesting themes in songs musicially as it may regard them in a prog rock light - kill them in the press by requiring the press to listen and understand something that has to fir their own abbreviated attention spans. So, bit of a shame and I feel no need to get that. Kid A was far more interesting in it's (IMHO) outright influence of RIO type bands while still eschewing virtuosity they still made a creative intersting album. P Tree were leagues ahead of the media and public influenced Radio-(please don't think we're prog)-head compared to SW finally admitting - like it's shame ful - that P Tree are Progressive rock) and more courageous. They had songs, works, melodies, Up The Downstair alone puts P Tree in the pantheon of the greats (and this album was isolated by PF derived compromise until Signify / Metanoia.) Now they made a sub Radiohead type album and Time Drags, oops again, I mean Flies... it's patchy at best. A vague approximation (I thought it was having a piece of Sheep) but that hardly matters. What does matter is having the lynchpin piece being so fan boy intended. Wholly inappropriate intention for what was supposed to be an epic of Incidents. Reminds me of Joeseph Catch-22 Heller's novel "Something Happened' - why? Because NOTHING happened. A non Incident. There's been a lot of negativity expressed about this album, possibly more than even FOABP. The next album hopefully will be more interesting. I do care about P Tree, but not about this release. PF's Animals and Dogs is all wonderful of course. Timeless classic. My hopes for Wilson are still high. But I think he may need to focus energies and not spend so much time being influenced by Fripp on ROIOs and doing his surround mixes and his other bands' pursuits. I know, this is a longwinded post but I am into prog rock after all. |
Posted By: slickcoaster
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 07:29
| Dogs for sure, but Time Flies is a great song. |
Posted By: twostikks
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 10:45
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Just getting into PT myself, although I haven't yet listened to any of "The Incident" yet. I thought I'd go back to the earlier stuff, which I like. When I listen to PT, I hear elements of PF, or PF influence -- but it's different enough to my ears (which, admittedly, are shot by years of cymbal smashing).
At any rate, and as much as I like the PT that I've listened to so far, I can't imagine any of it bettering "Dogs", which is one of my all-time favorite tracks by ANY artist. And Water's vocals on "Dogs" BLOWS AWAY any vocals I've heard by Steven Wilson. So "Dogs" it is. ------------- Gary "... people will always be tempted to wipe their feet on anything with WELCOME written on it" Andy Partridge |
Posted By: mohaveman
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 10:46
| Dogs |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 10:47
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Dogs, obviously.
Time Flies is still a very good song though, but you really can't compare.
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Posted By: nordwind
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 12:07
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Dogs ------------- Jazz isn't dead.......it just smells funny. Frank Zappa / Live in New York |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: February 09 2010 at 12:20
| The Floyd. Dogs is a great song off of a great album. |
Posted By: BlindGuard
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 08:41
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I really love PT. but you can't really compare these two, Dogs is almost legendary while Time Flies is just a damn good song :]
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Posted By: Crestal Myth
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 10:27
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PT fan here. Time Flies is one of the band's worst tracks (which a lot of people here probably wouldn't even have heard), whereas Dogs is considered to be one of the greatest pieces of music ever written. PT have more Floyd-esque tracks that might have been better to use here: Prodigal, Always Never, The Sky Moves Sideways, etc. If the options were different, I would have gone for any of those tracks. And yeah, I voted for Dogs. |
Posted By: yanch
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 12:13
| Dogs. Amazing track on a truly great album. |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 12:21
Dogs is my favorite piece of human artwork. I don't even need to have heard Time Flies to know its better (although I've listened to a certain amount of the Incident -  )
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Posted By: Takeshi Kovacs
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 18:32
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Dogs is one of my favourite tracks of all time, so a very easy choice.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 19:06
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just piling on for the hell of it.... speaking of comparing a '67 GTO to '76 Pinto.... at least the Pinto has some redeeming qualities... anyone remember this screen classic.. let make this akin to comparing Raff's beauty... to mine... Dogs... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 23:24
| This is a real butchering... |
Posted By: MasterShake
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:16
| Not sure how many times I have tried to get into PT, but they aren't good. A simple re-enactment of it's more CREATIVE PREDECESSORS. Sorry caps lock but I'm not deleting it. Pink Floyd is on a completely different level. I guess an analogy would be like PT:PF as The Beatles:Sublime. One is an original classic that stays with you forever. The other will fade away with realization and awareness. No question who the winner is here. |
Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:40
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Posted By: The Monodrone
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 16:44
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I went with Dogs... a no brainer... one of personal favorite songs by Pink Floyd or any other band... Gilmour's singing and guitar solos will truly stand the test of time... whereas, as much as I love PT and SW, Time Flies doesn't leave a nearly resounding impression on me as the sublime Dogs does. -------------
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Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: May 24 2010 at 03:00
 I like PF as much as the next guy, but all the PT bashing on this site is getting a bit tiresome... ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 05:16
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As I cast a thought back many years I remember when I first heard P Tree (Sky Moves Sideways) and thought ooh, ever so close to Floyd. This actually delayed my enjoyment of P Tree for some time. What more was I to listen to in rock? Zappa, Zeppelin, Crimson and then getting into the RIO side of rock (Univers Zero Henry Cow.) Then along came P tree. Phew, that was close. P Tree did themselves little favour by being a liitle too close to Floyd. SW even stated he regretted making Sky Moves Sideways due to it's PF Closeness. However P Tree do have some great attributes and one of those is melodies that are distinctive. In Absentia has them in spades for example. They have made great albums of great ideas. Ok, not everything is for everyone. I'm not much of a fan of the Incident or SW's solo album but Signify onwards and Up The Downstair are all terrific. I actually like Sky Moves btw but still have that close to PF reservation. On it's own merits it's fine . Great effort really in a home studio... However another thread hear goes on about the lesser PF albums. This seems to be nearly all but Meddle to The Wall. PF spent nearly half their life not doing much but arguing in the press and occaionally recording solo (or solo disguised as PF) albums. P tree get up off their arse and recorded and toured and have done so for roughly 20 years. Bit longer than Floyd did. P Tree also have the disdvantage of overcoming fan-dom reactionary attitiudes. It seems quite common that a band now is new but isn't as good as it's immediate predecessor. Mind you when P F first began no one liked them outside of their London fans. PF have a wealth of great material and were innovative in a time that allowed it. P Tree have a wealth of great material and try to be innovative (despite their own foot shooting - PF tributes) and succeed in a time that doesn't allow innovation. I think people want the safe and familiar as we live in very complex times now. No surprise there and fair enough. I wonder what the future is in store for those artists who will cite P tree as a major influence. |
Posted By: EatThatPhonebook
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 07:19
| Dogs. One of the best prog songs ever, and animals is one of the best prog albums. |
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 10:06
| Definitely Dogs. I don't like how Steven recycled the chords from that song. I thought he could be a bit more creative. |