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Posted: July 17 2009 at 15:32

Omlette du fromage...

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:52

Padraic wrote:

James wrote:

Padraic wrote:

James wrote:

Leave the terrorists alone and they may actually leave us alone. Invading them, killing them or whatever, will just make things work.

So why did Jakarta deserve to get bombed today?

I haven't seen the news today...

What's happened?

Islamic extremists (suicide) bombed a hotel in Jakarta. At least 8 dead, many more injured.

Just to go to the BBC homepage, I'm sure it's a top story.

That's awful news. Cry

And to answer your question.

They didn't deserve to be bombed. It wouldn't have mattered if we were in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or nowhere at all, they'd still have bombed there. That's the problem with this form of terrorism. It's almost impossible to stop.

But bombing the crap out of somewhere and killing civilians (with guns, tanks, helicopters and whatever else) isn't the answer either.

Edited by James - July 17 2009 at 14:54

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:50

JJLehto wrote:

As much as it pains me, and believe me it does....I have to agree with Henry.
Eventually we have to leave Afghanistan, and Iraq did distract us from it, but why James should we not have gone in to begin with?
That was one of the few times I actually thought it was right. Unless you're going with the "war on terrorism should be on terrorists, not countries" which I agree with, but the Taliban WAS a terrorist organization.

And no Henry, if you havn't figured out how I work let me tell you: The more you say "stop" the more I will continue, ESPECIALLY if you show it annoys you.

No, you're right. It's a war on terrorism. Not a war on a country.

I want to get rid of the Taliban/Al-Quaida as much as everyone but they went about it the wrong way. You don't bomb the crap out a country just to try and kill an organisation that may or may not have been there in the first place.

Besides, if Osama had been killed, it wouldn't have been the end of it anyway. It's not just about Afghanistan.

There's terrorists in the UK. There's Terrorists in America. Do we then bomb those places?

No, of course not.

So why bomb Tora Bora, Kandahar, Helmand and all those other places, hoping to stop terrorists that have likely moved to Pakistan and the rest of the world? It may have been a threat initially but it's not so much now.

I'm not saying give up entirely. I'm saying there approach it a different way.

Edited by James - July 17 2009 at 14:54

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:46

James wrote:

Padraic wrote:

James wrote:

Leave the terrorists alone and they may actually leave us alone. Invading them, killing them or whatever, will just make things work.

So why did Jakarta deserve to get bombed today?

I haven't seen the news today...

What's happened?

Islamic extremists (suicide) bombed a hotel in Jakarta. At least 8 dead, many more injured.

Just to go to the BBC homepage, I'm sure it's a top story.

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:44

Padraic wrote:

James wrote:

Leave the terrorists alone and they may actually leave us alone. Invading them, killing them or whatever, will just make things work.

So why did Jakarta deserve to get bombed today?

I haven't seen the news today...

What's happened?

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:24

wow. That is very much f**ked.

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:24

KoS wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8156329.stm
wow, France is f**ked up.

"blackmail"
REALLY!?

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:23

KoS wrote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8156329.stm
wow, France is f**ked up.

Normally I find the rhetoric on France annoying, but good lord, that is only a step away from the complete breakdown of civilized society.

if you own a sodastream i hate you

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:16

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8156329.stm
wow, France is f**ked up.

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:15

Yeah, if ONE thing should be kept out of the SR it's politics.

On a lighter note indeed, and to stick a hot spear in Henry's side:

Edited by JJLehto - July 17 2009 at 14:15

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:12

on a lighter note.

Kevin Ayers - mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm tasty

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 14:11

As much as it pains me, and believe me it does....I have to agree with Henry.
Eventually we have to leave Afghanistan, and Iraq did distract us from it, but why James should we not have gone in to begin with?
That was one of the few times I actually thought it was right. Unless you're going with the "war on terrorism should be on terrorists, not countries" which I agree with, but the Taliban WAS a terrorist organization.

And no Henry, if you havn't figured out how I work let me tell you: The more you say "stop" the more I will continue, ESPECIALLY if you show it annoys you.

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 13:43

Didn't you read the thread title? STOP POSTING GOD DAMN LOLCATS!

James wrote:

A triple post: just for my darling Henry

The war on Terror is pointless. Why the hell are there even troops in Afghanistan? Seriously. There's even less of a point of them being there than in Iraq (and we shouldn't have been there either!).

Seriously. The Terrorists are on the Internet. That's how they work. They're all over the world. They sometimes go to Pakistan though but nobody would dare invade Pakistan (and I'm not suggesting that either).

Leave the terrorists alone and they may actually leave us alone. Invading them, killing them or whatever, will just make things work.

Once again your view of the world disappoints me. Iraq is one thing, but the Taliban was demonstrably supporting Al-Qaeda (and the Taliban still exists!), and we were leaving Al-Qaeda alone. I think a lot of the things we've done haven't helped, but we can't just close our eyes and hope it goes away, unless we're willing to accept the risk of another attack. Personally, I would since a lot more people die in car accidents and crap, but I know other people aren't as lassiez-faire about their personal safety as I am.

But at least you don't believe in f**king 2012 like pomt3. That's even worse than the infantile 9/11 conspiracies.

Edited by Henry Plainview - July 17 2009 at 13:43

if you own a sodastream i hate you

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 13:29

James wrote:

Leave the terrorists alone and they may actually leave us alone. Invading them, killing them or whatever, will just make things work.

So why did Jakarta deserve to get bombed today?

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 13:24

He'd make a good meal for an Afghan...

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 13:21

James wrote:

JJLehto wrote:

James wrote:

No, the training takes place in Pakistan as well. Actually, mostly in Pakistan.

When we invaded Afghanistan I didn't think we should have. Most people though didn't seem to mind. Then we had an illegal war in Iraq as well. Just to rub it in even more. Most people did mind.

Hey like I said, my goal would be to eventually leave Afghanistan as well, not to mention all our bases and troops from the middle east.
Wasn't one of their big beefs was that we had troops and bases stationed in Saudi Arabia??
Anyway, yea leave the Middle East and the scale back in defense spending should be used for things at home, or beefing up our domestic security.

Wait James...aren't you in England? I thought you guys left Iraq some time ago

We have left Iraq but we shouldn't have even been there in the first place. In fact, we invaded illegally and Blair should be up for war crimes.

8 British troops have died this week in Afghanistan. That's more than have ever died in Iraq in a week (as far as I am aware).

And they weren't killed my Afghans but roadside bombs.

Well duh we all know we should not have been there.... and I really do hope Dick Cheney gets charged with this illegal CIA thing he did. If we couldn't bust him on war crimes get him in jail somehow!!!
Eh, enough of this. The SR should be for music/dumb antics and lolcats

Edited by JJLehto - July 17 2009 at 13:22

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 13:18

JJLehto wrote:

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 13:14

Afganistan is like a big beefy guy full of pride beating the sh*t out of some small guy who rear ended him in his car out of spite for the guy driving a hummer around and destroying the world. It was provoked, but a lot of people are just watching going "stop! Stop! He's already deaaaad!!"

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 13:13

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Posted: July 17 2009 at 13:08

No, the training takes place in Pakistan as well. Actually, mostly in Pakistan.

When we invaded Afghanistan I didn't think we should have. Most people though didn't seem to mind. Then we had an illegal war in Iraq as well. Just to rub it in even more. Most people did mind.