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    Posted: June 27 2009 at 19:40
I was searching for topics on Chick Corea and found this.
 
I don't want to stir up any hornets nests, but I don't see any definitive response in the thread.
 
Chick Corea has some spectacular fusion albums under his own name, not just his electrik band or RTF.  As does Stanley Clarke.  Yet neither are listed as solo artists here.  There are plenty of artists listed who are primarily jazz artists, who also ventured into fusion (Miles Davis is first to come to mind).  Is there any specific criteria for including/excluding musicians like these?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2009 at 04:18
You found a really old topic - Corea has been discussed more than that. Corea has roughly 3 or 4 full-fledged fusion albums - except Leprechaun, they're neither succesful, neither representative. I wouldn't put him in the Archives.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:22
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:32
What's next; John Travolta and Tom Cruise?  This is Prog Archives, not Scientology Archives! ;) Methinks I just got myself in trouble for steeping over a certain religious line.  Apologies.

Anyway, I'm not that familiar with his solo work, but I would have thought there was a  significant case for his inclusion based on his fusion work, but I don't know.  Maybe not.  So I shouldn't be posting at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2009 at 18:43
3-4 fusion albums should normally suffice for a good addition. what seems to be the problem, are these 3-4 albums only a part of a huge discography or something like that?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 08:04
Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

3-4 fusion albums should normally suffice for a good addition. what seems to be the problem, are these 3-4 albums only a part of a huge discography or something like that?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 11:37
Well Miles Davis is here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 12:53
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

What's next; John Travolta and Tom Cruise?  This is Prog Archives, not Scientology Archives! ;) Methinks I just got myself in trouble for steeping over a certain religious line.  Apologies.


I think you're forgetting Stanley Clarke (if I'm not wrong).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 13:02
Well, he left Scientology (he got involved in it because of, or through. Corea)

*me Does a wikipedia search on Return to Forever* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Forever:

Quote After Musicmagic, Chick Corea officially disbanded the group. Reasons are speculative, but Stanley Clarke's leaving the Church of Scientology is believed to be a factor. In the years following the breakup, Al di Meola commented on the complications of reuniting the di Meola/White lineup "I think we have a Scientology problem to deal with, possibly due to Stanley leaving Scientology. That doesn't sit very well with Chick."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 14:36
Wow I had no idea Corea was a part of that Scientology stuff. My respect for him is greatly diminished.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 14:49
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Wow I had no idea Corea was a part of that Scientology stuff. My respect for him is greatly diminished.


You can respect all the music he made, because nothing is related to Scientology, and most of it is extraordinary.

I saw him in concert, and he didn't gave me no preach on Zulu aliens, he instead gave me a wonderful performance.

So you can definitely respect Corea's music.

Or you can judge hastly.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 14:55
I really don't understand what his allegiance to Scientology (or any other church, cult, or whatever, for that matter) has to do with his addition to PA... Either his music is suitable for the site, or it is not... Anything else is totally irrelevant, in my opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:04
Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Wow I had no idea Corea was a part of that Scientology stuff. My respect for him is greatly diminished.


You can respect all the music he made, because nothing is related to Scientology, and most of it is extraordinary.

I saw him in concert, and he didn't gave me no preach on Zulu aliens, he instead gave me a wonderful performance.

So you can definitely respect Corea's music.

Or you can judge hastly.



Did I say I would boycott his music? Honestly if I threw out the music of everyone I didn't agree with I wouldn't have much of a collection left.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:11
This is a digression, but if it disrupts discussion about his worthiness for PA, and somehow delays the process, then I will desist.

I thought his musical works had links to Scientology. According to that wikipedia article I linked to before:

Quote The music was composed by Corea with the exception of the title track of the second album which was written by Stanley Clarke. Lyrics were often written by Corea's friend Neville Potter, and were often related to scientology, though this is not necessarily easy to recognize for outsiders. Clarke was involved in Scientology through Corea, but left the church in the early 1980s.


Anyway, I started talking about that with humorous intent.  It's irrelevant to the addition, of course, but then it's up to the relevant team if they wish to vote for his inclusion based on whether they think the music has sufficient merits for the category.  Such a digression should not affect any outcome, and I don't see how it could.

Incidentally, I was fascinated by Scientology and studied it quite deeply years ago, so it's just a not so relevant interest of mine.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:22
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

This is a digression, but if it disrupts discussion about his worthiness for PA, and somehow delays the process, then I will desist.

I thought his musical works had links to Scientology. According to that wikipedia article I linked to before:

Quote The music was composed by Corea with the exception of the title track of the second album which was written by Stanley Clarke. Lyrics were often written by Corea's friend Neville Potter, and were often related to scientology, though this is not necessarily easy to recognize for outsiders. Clarke was involved in Scientology through Corea, but left the church in the early 1980s.


Anyway, I started talking about that with humorous intent.  It's irrelevant to the addition, of course, but then it's up to the relevant team if they wish to vote for his inclusion based on whether they think the music has sufficient merits for the category.  Such a digression should not affect any outcome, and I don't see how it could.

Incidentally, I was fascinated by Scientology and studied it quite deeply years ago, so it's just a not so relevant interest of mine.


There are other factors slowing down additions, and you know it as well as I do. Incidentally, I was not commenting on your post, but on others I had seen in this thread. Just further proof that posting on this board has become next to impossible, unless one wants to get angry every time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:27
I didn't even realize Clarke wasn't here.

School Days and Journey To Love are excellent and qualifying albums.  Children Of Forever, less so.
Corea's Elektric Band stuff was a bit of a snooze, but The Return To Forever solo album and My Spanish Heart are qualifying albums.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:29
Personally, I don't find it worth worth getting angry about such things, so I don't, but we're all different.  For me posting at this board is mostly about exchanging ideas and exploring notions.

EDIT to quote this since it got in before I saw it -- to get it back on-topic:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I didn't even realize Clarke wasn't here.

School Days and Journey To Love are excellent and qualifying albums.  Children Of Forever, less so.
Corea's Elektric Band stuff was a bit of a snooze, but The Return To Forever solo album and My Spanish Heart are qualifying albums.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:37
Also if like solo piano, Children's Songs on ECM is quite good, nearly classical in style.

Edited by Slartibartfast - June 29 2009 at 15:37
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2009 at 17:43
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I guess I'll just keep my opinions limited to the general thread from now on.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2009 at 12:18
No offence taken here, of course, DeathRabbit, and I hope you don't keep your opinions to yourself in any part of the site, and are willing to share them wherever your fancy takes you.  Although this isn't really the place for a discussion about Scientology, it's an interesting topic.  Incidentally, when someone leaves Scientology they are considered an "enemy", so that partially explains why Corea would have difficulty tolerating Clarke's departure. I used to have a better resource, but this'll do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology)  It's a scary organisation, and though I respect Corea's music, I don't respect his church, or their principles.

Back on topic.  I think that if Corea has several albums that would fit, that should be more than enough.  If the JRF team don't want him, then he should at least be in Prog-Related, and I would endorse him there from what I know.
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