Chick Corea et al.
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Topic: Chick Corea et al.
Posted By: Evolver
Subject: Chick Corea et al.
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 19:40
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I was searching for topics on Chick Corea and found http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13434&KW=corea&PID=1711630#1711630 - this .
I don't want to stir up any hornets nests, but I don't see any definitive response in the thread.
Chick Corea has some spectacular fusion albums under his own name, not just his electrik band or RTF. As does Stanley Clarke. Yet neither are listed as solo artists here. There are plenty of artists listed who are primarily jazz artists, who also ventured into fusion (Miles Davis is first to come to mind). Is there any specific criteria for including/excluding musicians like these? ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 04:18
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You found a really old topic - Corea has been discussed more than that. Corea has roughly 3 or 4 full-fledged fusion albums - except Leprechaun, they're neither succesful, neither representative. I wouldn't put him in the Archives. ------------- 
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:22
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Fair enough. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:32
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What's next; John Travolta and Tom Cruise? This is Prog Archives, not Scientology Archives! ;) Methinks I just got myself in trouble for steeping over a certain religious line. Apologies. Anyway, I'm not that familiar with his solo work, but I would have thought there was a significant case for his inclusion based on his fusion work, but I don't know. Maybe not. So I shouldn't be posting at all. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 18:43
| 3-4 fusion albums should normally suffice for a good addition. what seems to be the problem, are these 3-4 albums only a part of a huge discography or something like that? |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 08:04
Yes. -------------
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harmonium.ro wrote:Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 11:37
| Well Miles Davis is here. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 12:53
I think you're forgetting Stanley Clarke (if I'm not wrong). |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 13:02
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Well, he left Scientology (he got involved in it because of, or through. Corea) *me Does a wikipedia search on Return to Forever* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Forever - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_to_Forever :
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 14:36
| Wow I had no idea Corea was a part of that Scientology stuff. My respect for him is greatly diminished. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 14:49
You can respect all the music he made, because nothing is related to Scientology, and most of it is extraordinary. I saw him in concert, and he didn't gave me no preach on Zulu aliens, he instead gave me a wonderful performance. So you can definitely respect Corea's music. Or you can judge hastly. -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 14:55
| I really don't understand what his allegiance to Scientology (or any other church, cult, or whatever, for that matter) has to do with his addition to PA... Either his music is suitable for the site, or it is not... Anything else is totally irrelevant, in my opinion. |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:04
Did I say I would boycott his music? Honestly if I threw out the music of everyone I didn't agree with I wouldn't have much of a collection left. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:11
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This is a digression, but if it disrupts discussion about his worthiness for PA, and somehow delays the process, then I will desist. I thought his musical works had links to Scientology. According to that wikipedia article I linked to before:
Anyway, I started talking about that with humorous intent. It's irrelevant to the addition, of course, but then it's up to the relevant team if they wish to vote for his inclusion based on whether they think the music has sufficient merits for the category. Such a digression should not affect any outcome, and I don't see how it could. Incidentally, I was fascinated by Scientology and studied it quite deeply years ago, so it's just a not so relevant interest of mine. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:22
There are other factors slowing down additions, and you know it as well as I do. Incidentally, I was not commenting on your post, but on others I had seen in this thread. Just further proof that posting on this board has become next to impossible, unless one wants to get angry every time. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:27
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I didn't even realize Clarke wasn't here. School Days and Journey To Love are excellent and qualifying albums. Children Of Forever, less so. Corea's Elektric Band stuff was a bit of a snooze, but The Return To Forever solo album and My Spanish Heart are qualifying albums. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:29
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Personally, I don't find it worth worth getting angry about such things, so I don't, but we're all different. For me posting at this board is mostly about exchanging ideas and exploring notions. EDIT to quote this since it got in before I saw it -- to get it back on-topic:
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 15:37
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Also if like solo piano, Children's Songs on ECM is quite good, nearly classical in style.
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: June 29 2009 at 17:43
| Sorry, I didn't mean to offend. I guess I'll just keep my opinions limited to the general thread from now on. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 30 2009 at 12:18
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No offence taken here, of course, DeathRabbit, and I hope you don't keep your opinions to yourself in any part of the site, and are willing to share them wherever your fancy takes you. Although this isn't really the place for a discussion about Scientology, it's an interesting topic. Incidentally, when someone leaves Scientology they are considered an "enemy", so that partially explains why Corea would have difficulty tolerating Clarke's departure. I used to have a better resource, but this'll do http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_%28Scientology%29 - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) It's a scary organisation, and though I respect Corea's music, I don't respect his church, or their principles. Back on topic. I think that if Corea has several albums that would fit, that should be more than enough. If the JRF team don't want him, then he should at least be in Prog-Related, and I would endorse him there from what I know. |
Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: July 02 2009 at 15:56
| All in! |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:12
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im for his inclusion. My Spanish Heart, The Mad Hatter, and the last 2 Elektric Band albums (Paint the World (IMO one of the best Jazz-fusion albums ever made!), and To The Stars) are sufficient enough material for him to be in JRF.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:32
Elektric Band is already here, so we wouldn't be adding/counting them twice. While people can be happy with four-five albums for an inclusion, I wouldn't feel so comfortable (it's just my way of perspective: the "one album and your in" policy is something I disagree with and always will). I've already said it, it's four-five albums out of an prolific discography, and they're not all fully representative. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 13:50
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I'm very comfortable with it. Although I have been somewhat uncomfortable with the complete discography policy, and would quite like a prog albums category for bands/ artists who have not made their careers out of Prog to highlight suitable albums, at least, it is good if the albums that should most interest proggers are highlighted in the biography. A good, well-researched bio should get into that. Of course sometimes bands are being evaluated on very limited material, and there isn't a wealth of info to make that call. Add to that that what is Prog, or would interest Proggers, can be in the ear of the beaherer. Of course that's a problem with not including complete discographies (endless bickering about what should be included/ what has sufficient merits). Then, hopefully, the reviews also will highlight the perceived prog-quotient of albums. And I'd rather we judge placement based on those albums that are deemed particularly relevant to a Prog site. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 15:52
i didnt know that  i think if we did have a "prog-albums-only" policy, it would have to be a rounded out system, meaning, 2-3 albums leading to X band's "prog-era" and 2-3 albums after their "prog-era" i say this because there may be some prog gems on either albums before or after their "prog-era" and this would allow people to choose which ones to get rather than getting an album that came out 20 years after X band's "prog-era" with no signs of prog rock. but thats if we had that system. just felt like throwing that out there ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 17:54
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Did not see that, I only have Light Years by the Elekric Band, which is rather sappy. Again I'll point to My Spanish Heart and the solo album called Return To Forever.
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: July 03 2009 at 19:23
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Vote for the addition -------------  |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 02:56
That album's highlighted in RTF here. -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 03:06
Strictly Corea-related, all I fear is for PA to express something a lot different than most sites, who see him more as a jazz artist. Furthermore, such sites have the capacity to highlight all the sides of Corea's music, while PA, by definition, would split up the phases, the styles or such, focusing on the little that was proper for addition. -------------
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: July 04 2009 at 04:21
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Stanley Clarke is in
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 06 2009 at 11:51
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:20
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Chick has more than 4 fusion albums:
The Leprechaun My Spanish Heart The Mad Hatter Secret Agent Tap Step Again & Again The Ultimate Adventure I think these only deserve an inclusion + Chick was one of the developers of fusion.... I think there is no question about that.... ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 09:34
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RTF, Corea Electrik Band, Lenny White, Stanley Clarke and Al Dimeola are all here.
The JR team decided not to add solo Corea because the full discog rule would bring on too many pure jazz and avant-jazz records. We get a lot of flak for adding artists that bring more old jazz records on the site, otherwise we would probably add other progressive fusion artists such as Freddie Hubbard, Donald Byrd, Herbie Mann, George Benson, Gato Barbieri, John Klemmer and some more I'm not thinking of right now. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:05
For the Electrik Band to be here and not individually for My Spanish Heart makes no sense to me. I've said my peace/piece. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:31
Dude, I explained why in the above post. We get flak from the big boys on this site for bringing jazz albums on the site via the full discog rule. Electrik band was a clever compromise on my part. I'm proud of my work even if you aren't.  
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Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: March 22 2010 at 10:41
I understand...but fusion without Chick (Mad Hatter, My Spanish Heart, etc.) is like symph prog without Genesis or folk prog without The Strawbs....It just doesn't make sense 
anyway... congrats for the Electrik Band move ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com)
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