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Finnforest
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Posted: May 17 2009 at 21:17 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
No one person invented prog. A lot of groups assembled and refined elements of prog, from the early '60's onward.
On the other hand, if you want to know who released the first prog album, it was The Moody Blues. |
Right. There is no firm answer, I think its a personal opinion thing. For me there was great significance in the changing form and long wailing of "Interstellar Overdrive", which if I remember my books was happening live in clubs as early as fall 1966. That is where things begin from my perspective even if many will write off IO as just psych. A line is crossed. It doesn't begin with Crimson in my book, many things were popping before '69.
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valravennz
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Posted: May 17 2009 at 21:54 |
^ I agree. I would like to say that King Crimson "invented" prog because it was through them that prog music really entered my consciousness. However, looking back, strong elements were already in place, with music from The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, Procul Harem and many others. I think experimentation leading to the prog music movement began at least 2 or 3 years before the release of ITCOTKC.
However - the defining point was King Crimson or as I would like to think - a light bulb suddenly switched on the music appreciation powers of the masses!
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"Music is the Wine that fills the cup of Silence"
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friso
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 00:49 |
Prog wasn't invented by a band. It was the product of new mindset the youth had. It's a traditon:
'20 classical/light music
'30 jazz (very provocotive at the time)
'50 back to basics: rock'n roll
'70 progressive rock
'80 back to basics: punk/wave
Progressive rock came to be in a time of musical growth, and it might be highlight of what we've seen so far.
Edited by kingfriso - May 18 2009 at 00:50
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 02:12 |
one image sums it all up
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Joe Rockhead
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:35 |
King Crimson. You have got to be kidding. Listen to Revolver than Rubber Soul, then give your head a shake. King Crimson, ha !!!!!!!!!
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:41 |
No one invented Prog. It evolved from different ideas by various bands. No one really invented Rock or Blues for that matter.
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rdtprog
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:43 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Prog was a product of musical evolution, and for that reason a process, you can't say it started here or there.
Iván |
I agree, it's like asking where does life begin? But it's a annoying answer. It's more fun to speculate on the subject
Edited by rdtprog - May 18 2009 at 15:44
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Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:46 |
Thomas Edison
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:52 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
Thomas Edison
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: May 18 2009 at 16:00 |
You know, there's a certain element of truth to that. I'm not entirely sure we'd have prog without the phonograph.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Icarium
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Posted: May 19 2009 at 17:18 |
the Rolling Stones since they are famous for not changing/progressing so much in and resultetd in musicians that went to form KC, VDGG, GG, Yes and Genesiswho were inspired to make somthing more challenging music for ther own sake but still play under the umbrella called Rock (n Roll)
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npjnpj
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 04:06 |
It was either John Peel or Lester Bangs, I think.
And if it wasn't one of them, it was Al Gore one afternoon while he was taking a break from inventing the internet.
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el dingo
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 04:42 |
npjnpj wrote:
It was either John Peel or Lester Bangs, I think.
And if it wasn't one of them, it was Al Gore one afternoon while he was taking a break from inventing the internet. |
Actually I don't think you're far wrong... about Al Gore, of course
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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earlyprog
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 06:53 |
Prog was a cultural phenmenon. It was expressed in music, first (circa 1964) via segments of songs (Animals, Beatles, Yardbirds, Who, Beach Boys), then (circa 1966) entire songs (Soft Machine, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Doors) and finally (1968) via entire albums (possibly, Ars longa vita Brevis, East Of Eden 'Mercator Projected', Vanilla Fudge 'Renaissance', The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, HP Lovecraft II, Touch, Soft Machine).
But it seems that prog rock as an album concept was introduced on ItCotCK.
On the live scene, possibly Soft Machine and Pink Floyd were playing entire gigs of 'prog' in 1966.
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el dingo
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 06:59 |
earlyprog wrote:
Prog was a cultural phenmenon. It was expressed in music, first (circa 1964) via segments of songs (Animals, Beatles, Yardbirds, Who, Beach Boys), then (circa 1966) entire songs (Soft Machine, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Doors) and finally (1968) via entire albums (possibly, Ars longa vita Brevis, East Of Eden 'Mercator Projected', Vanilla Fudge 'Renaissance', The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, HP Lovecraft II, Touch, Soft Machine).
But it seems that prog rock as an album concept was introduced on ItCotCK.
On the live scene, possibly Soft Machine and Pink Floyd were playing entire gigs of 'prog' in 1966. |
I still don't think we'll ever know, but IMO your post is about as close as we'll get.
Re the live scene, Nick Mason says almost exactly what you do in his book Inside Out. And also mentions obscure never-stood-a-chance bands who did something along these lines even earlier.
Edited by el dingo - May 20 2009 at 07:03
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: May 20 2009 at 12:11 |
I'd say the first progressive stuff was the Big Bang. Nothing before it sounded even remotely like it (that we know of). Therefore my vote goes to Other.
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Scarlet
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 09:51 |
Other invented prog.
Wikipedia says:
The Nice were an English progressive rock band from the 1960s, known for their unique blend of rock, jazz and classical music. Their debut album, The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack was released in 1967 to immediate acclaim. It is often considered the first progressive rock album. |
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cronholm
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Posted: May 22 2009 at 18:11 |
No one invented Prog.
But one day, Prog looked at the world and thought: "Hmmm. There's something missing here." And lo and behold did he invent some bands to properly shape the sounds in his head so that mere mortals could hear them too. And all was well with the world.
From Genesis: XIV, part XXV (unabridged version)
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Open your eyes, it's full of surprise, everyone lies,
like the fox on the rocks,
and the musical box.
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A Person
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Posted: May 23 2009 at 00:08 |
rushfan4 wrote:
It was either Thomas Edison or Nikolai Tesla depending on your point of view. |
Atually, without Tesla it very well could be that electronic music has progressed as far as it has. How could prog exist without mellotrons or hammond organs? Maybe the electric guitar might not have been as prominent as it has been if it wasn't for AC. I would have to say that I think In the Court of the Crimson King is the first fully fledged prog album, although I'm not saying The Moody Blues weren't prog, they seem more cross-over to me. ITCOTCK seems a lot less conventional because Days of Future Passed still has the feeling of conventional songs within the overall album, but KC has parts that are completely unconventional, like the ending of Moon Child. Still, I guess The Moody Blues did come firster.
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ghost_of_morphy
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Posted: May 23 2009 at 03:50 |
Scarlet wrote:
Other invented prog.
Wikipedia says:
The Nice were an English progressive rock band from the 1960s, known for their unique blend of rock, jazz and classical music. Their debut album, The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack was released in 1967 to immediate acclaim. It is often considered the first progressive rock album. |
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Let's consider wikipedia as an advocate, not an authority, here. We have plenty of posters who are just as informed about prog rock as wikipedia's contributors.
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