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Topic: Who invented prog?
Posted By: Misomex777
Subject: Who invented prog?
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:46
Who invented prog?



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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:47
The Mothers of Invention.

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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:56
That^


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 15:57
It was either Thomas Edison or Nikolai Tesla depending on your point of view.

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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:12
Originally posted by LiquidEternity LiquidEternity wrote:

The Mothers of Invention.


End the thread here.


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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:15
It's hard to give anyone the credits for inventing prog.
Pink Floyd and The Nice (UK), Frank Zappa (USA), and the Collectors (Canada) belonged to the first bands that walked the prog path.
The Beatles and the Moody Blues among many others were prog-related as well.
Yes, Genesis and King Crimson appeared a little later.
 
I vote for Pink Floyd.


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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:23
I invented prog.

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Posted By: Matthew T
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:30

I really do not know,it just evolved for me from rock and psychedelic music and some where in that time it happened.King Crimson's "in the Court of the Crimson King seems to be a defining moment but Frank Zappa was full swing and Miles Davis went fusion. Confused

I myself am curious when the actual term progressive came into use to describe the genre as when I bought a lot of my early prog albums they were just a new type of rock album but  I will say ........Its Only Rock and Roll but I like it,...like it.........yes I do Big smile


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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:30
All the artists mentioned are great, and get played a lot around my ivory tower, but I voted for "Other."  Since that can indicate anybody I want, I choose to designate it "All of the Above."  There is no single inventor of Prog as there is no single inventor of Rock 'n' Roll, or Jazz, of Music itself.  There's no single inventor to the Internet, Television, Radio, Automobile, etc.  There are, however, artists significant to the development of Prog, several of which are named here.  I would add The Nice, Mothers of Invention, and Soft Machine, too, but it's not my poll.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 16:50
Originally posted by Matthew T Matthew T wrote:

I myself am curious when the actual term progressive came into use to describe the genre as when I bought a lot of my early prog albums they were just a new type of rock album but  I will say ........Its Only Rock and Roll but I like it,...like it.........yes I do Big smile
When I was a high school it was definitely known as Progressive with a capital "P" in the UK - that would be somewhere between '69 and '71, but certainly before '72.


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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 17:04
Originally posted by LiquidEternity LiquidEternity wrote:

The Mothers of Invention.
 
SecondedClap


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 17:04
Procul Harum or The Moody Blues at about the same time.

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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 17:09
Originally posted by LiquidEternity LiquidEternity wrote:

The Mothers of Invention.

LOLLOLLOL



Posted By: Matthew T
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 17:17
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Matthew T Matthew T wrote:

I myself am curious when the actual term progressive came into use to describe the genre as when I bought a lot of my early prog albums they were just a new type of rock album but  I will say ........Its Only Rock and Roll but I like it,...like it.........yes I do Big smile
When I was a high school it was definitely known as Progressive with a capital "P" in the UK - that would be somewhere between '69 and '71, but certainly before '72.
Smile  Thanks Dean, I never actually heard the term used and really did not know that it was an actual genre till the internet. They kept me in the dark down hereLOL. It really was Porcupine Tree that renewed my interest with a venegeance in progWink

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 17:21
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Procol Harum or The Moody Blues at about the same time.


correct, with slightly more weight to Harum







Posted By: Ellegon
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 17:34
Iron Butterfly circa 1968. What else even sounded close to Innagodadavida. It was also the first song in epic length.


Posted By: John McIntyre
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 17:58

I haven't voted, and I'm not going to.

 
The point at which Prog came about doesn't/didn't exist, as (like many other musical forms) it evolved over a period of time, involving several artists/bands, to which you could also add 'artistic movements' (e.g. the British 'Underground' scene, the UFO Club, IT all-night events). Somewhere on the PA site (I don't think it's on the forum) is a fairly convincing argument abouth how THEY think it came about.
What MAY be a better line of discussion is to pin-point bands, albums, events, etc that defined the DIRECTION of music to(wards) Prog. On that line of thought, I would suggest "Rubber Soul" by The Beatles, "Piper at the Gates of Dawn" by Pink Floyd (together with the all-night concerts they did at Alexandra Palace) and "In the Court of the Crimson King" by King Crimson.
As an example, the Progressive heart of Genesis was, almost certainly, Steve Hackett - what influenced him to go prog? I do know that he was at The Speakeasy at King Crimson's first ever gig (April 1969) when he was only 17. Therefore, it's a fairly safe bet that Genesis followed King Crimson on the Prog route. Similarly, Bill Bruford said in an interview that Yes regarded Crimson's "In the Wake of Poseidon" as an artistic standard. So, what influenced Crimson? If you keep going back along these lines, THAT may answer a few questions. 


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Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 18:13
Winston Churchill


Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 20:28
mailto:M@x - M@x ...

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 20:40
Prog was a product of musical evolution, and for that reason a process, you can't say it started here or there.
 
Iván


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 20:42
both the Nice's and Procol Harum's debuts were released in '67, making them both strong contenders as bands offering a music that was beginning to seriously move forward from the art-psych of the 1960s into a movement..   ItCotCK may be the first 'prog record' with all important elements come together but clearly the Nice and PH were onto something years before Crimson had even formed, Fripp still doing his kitsch stuff with Giles,Giles&Fripp.






Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 20:45
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

both the Nice's and Procol Harum's debuts were released in '67, making them both strong contenders as bands offering a music that was beginning to seriously move forward from the art-psych of the 1960s into a movement..   ItCotCK may be the first 'prog record' with all important elements come together but clearly the Nice and PH were onto something years before Crimson had even formed, Fripp still doing his kitsch stuff with Giles,Giles&Fripp.




 
Agree, The Thoughts of the Emerlist Davjack, is a turning point IMO, but not necessarilly the creation.
 
Iván


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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 21:22
Mr Keith Emerson


Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 21:27
Without bothering to look anything up (classic internet musicology) I think the first Progressive Rock album was Procol Harum's Shine on Brightly.

Zappa was doing avant/fusion/satire etc, but way back then we didn't really call zappa prog-rock, he was more in that near miss category with The Beatles, Doors and Hendrix.

Zappa's music became more prog like after he fired the Mothers.

The first 'prog' artist though is Les Baxter.


Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: May 15 2009 at 21:38
Albert Einstein, with Darwin influences

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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 00:43
There have been so many of this same poll basically, a better question to ask: Who invented the Who was the inventor of prog poll?

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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 00:45
Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

There have been so many of this same poll basically, a better question to ask: Who invented the Who was the inventor of prog poll?
Robert Fripp and Frank Zappa collaborated on it.


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Posted By: Prometheus
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:21
It was actually an invention on behalf of the Romans who synthesized a style out of Hellenic, Asiatic, Etruscan, and  Egyptian elements. Of course, greccophiles are more likely to pick of the hellenic style itself, given that it represents the synthesis of greek, persian and Egyptian elements already. then of course, there are those people that reject just an ethnocentric view entirely and look instead at India since that culture also represented the synthesis of ancient middle-eastern and native Indian styles.




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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:23
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:

There have been so many of this same poll basically, a better question to ask: Who invented the Who was the inventor of prog poll?
Robert Fripp and Frank Zappa collaborated on it.

so emo and lame


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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:24
Originally posted by LiquidEternity LiquidEternity wrote:

The Mothers of Invention.


I think I have to agree but to be more fun and co-operative I'll go with KC but Yes probably fit the public stereotype more




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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:33
Marillion

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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:43


Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Marillion


Nah man it was Stonebeard


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:48
Originally posted by Petrovsk Mizinski Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:



Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Marillion


Nah man it was Stonebeard


No they were hacks. Marillion also invented electronica, hip-hop, philosophy, and the Ginsu knife.


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Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:53
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Marillion
Eh... the second time. The question isn't "who invented warm water?"


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 03:00
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Procol Harum or The Moody Blues at about the same time.


correct, with slightly more weight to Harum



Thank you. I agree that Procul Harum probably just got in first. Their self-titled debut and Shine on Brightly have more than enough elements of prog to be considered true prog albums and the debut was released just before the Moodies released Days of Future Passed.

But anyone suggesting King Crimson must have a very limited knowledge of prog since several other bands had released albums that are clearly prog well before In the Court of the Crimson King, even if this album was perhaps the first to use the swathes of mellotron that some consider the defining feature of prog. Floyd released 2 albums that are undeniably prog before KC released their first album.

It seems to me that some on here will vote for KC in ANY poll no matter what.




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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 07:30
Nobody. An evolution, not an invention, IMO

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 09:22
I thought we were done with this question for years. 


Posted By: E-Dub
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 09:45
It was either Orville and Wilbur Prog or Alexander Graham Prog. I forget which one, though.

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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 09:46
^
 
I guess that's the Wright answer. It sure rings a Bell.


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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 10:11
These questions also do full circles.Eventually we'll narrow it down to classical composers and back again.

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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 10:20
Other




Frank Zappa!!!????


Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 10:33
King Crimson was the first real prog band. Yust like black sabbath was the first real heavy metal band. You can argue all you want but we all know its the truth.

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Posted By: Einsetumadur
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 13:15
The Who, Miles Davis and The Nice would be my suggestions.
King Crimson is the first real prog band in any case. 


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Posted By: Evan
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 13:25
Gregorian chanters.


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 15:12
SleepyGOD - WHO INVENTED ALSO SWINE FLU, POLITICIANS, GLOBAL WARMING, AND ALL OTHER THINGS. JUST BE THANKFUL HE INVENTED PROG TO KEEP US ALL HAPPY AND DEBATINGBig smile

In serious mode, I'm not going to vote because it's an impossible question. My Dad reckons Elvis, but, then again, he thinks that all strarted and ended with ElvisLOL


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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 15:22
^
 
My poor old boy thought it all started and ended with Glen MillerWink


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Posted By: Alitare
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 15:46
Whoever invented music in the first place.


Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 15:59
You all have it wrong, Steven Wilson invented a time machine which he used to go back to the late sixties to invent a new style to take root back then because music was so sh*tty in his time, he went under the guise of "Robert Fripp", and then invented a robot which took his place after he went back to the future. This style became prog which then progressed as it did, and then everyone thought that PT and SW was the natural evolution of it but in reality he invented it.


Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 16:55

It would be impossible to identify anyone who invented prog.  From the list presented Pink Floyd were playing consistently progressive rock earliest.



Posted By: The T
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 17:08
Originally posted by el dingo el dingo wrote:

Nobody. An evolution, not an invention, IMO
 
So Darwin then?
 
These damn evolutionists appear even in a God-fearing forum like this.............Tongue


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 17:56
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Prog was a product of musical evolution, and for that reason a process, you can't say it started here or there.
 
Iván


Quoted for truth. /thread


Posted By: Nipsey88
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 20:49
While I agree that the advent of prog was more of a confluence of ideas that occurred simultaneously  among various artists (Zappa, Beatles, KC, etc...) I'd like to put another name out there...

The Beach Boys

(waits for the laughter to stop)

Pet Sounds from 1966 was really far ahead of its time in elevating pop music by increased complexity in arrangements, both vocal and instrumental, as well as introducing a level of engineering that was leaps and bounds over most of its contemporaries. McCartney has said that this record was a direct influence on the direction that Sgt. Pepper would take.

Something to think on...(just not too hard, pleaseWink)


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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: May 16 2009 at 22:57
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

It was either Thomas Edison or Nikolai Tesla depending on your point of view.


You forgot that guy with the kite, Benjamin Franklin.


Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 02:09
Retailers invented prog.

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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 03:21
Originally posted by Nipsey88 Nipsey88 wrote:

While I agree that the advent of prog was more of a confluence of ideas that occurred simultaneously  among various artists (Zappa, Beatles, KC, etc...) I'd like to put another name out there...

The Beach Boys

(waits for the laughter to stop)

Pet Sounds from 1966 was really far ahead of its time in elevating pop music by increased complexity in arrangements, both vocal and instrumental, as well as introducing a level of engineering that was leaps and bounds over most of its contemporaries. McCartney has said that this record was a direct influence on the direction that Sgt. Pepper would take.

Something to think on...(just not too hard, pleaseWink)
 
I'm not laughing - I think it's a valid point. There wasn't much around as refined as that in 1966


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 03:33
Brian Wilson was undoubtedly a major player in progressing rock, a secret American prog weapon masked in sugary pop..  genius!

  


Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 07:35
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Procul Harum or The Moody Blues at about the same time.




Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 07:52
It all started with the German Bonds and their "Sonata Facile", influenced by Mozart (1966)


Posted By: fil karada
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 10:29
So many people and no-one in particular, I have to fo with Others.

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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 21:02
No one person invented prog.  A lot of groups assembled and refined elements of prog, from the early '60's onward.
 
On the other hand, if you want to know who released the first prog album, it was The Moody Blues.


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 21:17
Originally posted by ghost_of_morphy ghost_of_morphy wrote:

No one person invented prog.  A lot of groups assembled and refined elements of prog, from the early '60's onward.
 
On the other hand, if you want to know who released the first prog album, it was The Moody Blues.


Right.  There is no firm answer, I think its a personal opinion thing.  For me there was great significance in the changing form and long wailing of "Interstellar Overdrive", which if I remember my books was happening live in clubs as early as fall 1966.  That is where things begin from my perspective even if many will write off IO as just psych.  A line is crossed.

It doesn't begin with Crimson in my book, many things were popping before '69.


Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: May 17 2009 at 21:54
^ I agree. I would like to say that King Crimson "invented" prog because it was through them that prog music really entered my consciousness. However, looking back, strong elements were already in place, with music from The Moody Blues, Pink Floyd, Procul Harem and many others. I think experimentation leading to the prog music movement began at least 2 or 3 years before the release of ITCOTKC.
However - the defining point was King Crimson or as I would like to think - a light bulb suddenly switched on the music appreciation powers of the masses! 


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Posted By: friso
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 00:49
Prog wasn't invented by a band. It was the product of new mindset the youth had. It's a traditon:
'20 classical/light music
'30 jazz (very provocotive at the time)
'50 back to basics: rock'n roll
'70 progressive rock
'80 back to basics: punk/wave
 
Progressive rock came to be in a time of musical growth, and it might be highlight of what we've seen so far.


Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 02:12
one image sums it all up
 


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Posted By: Joe Rockhead
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:35
King Crimson. You have got to be kidding. Listen to Revolver than Rubber Soul, then give your head a shake. King Crimson, ha !!!!!!!!!

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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:41
No one invented Prog. It evolved from different ideas by various bands. No one really invented Rock or Blues for that matter. 


Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:43
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Prog was a product of musical evolution, and for that reason a process, you can't say it started here or there.
 
Iván


I agree, it's like asking where does life begin? But it's a annoying answer. It's more fun to speculate on the subjectWink


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:46
Thomas Edison TongueLOL


Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 15:52
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Thomas Edison TongueLOL


Brilliant!





Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 18 2009 at 16:00
You know, there's a certain element of truth to that.  I'm not entirely sure we'd have prog without the phonograph.

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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: May 19 2009 at 17:18
the Rolling Stones  Clown since they are famous for not changing/progressing so  much in  and resultetd in   musicians that went to form KC, VDGG, GG, Yes and Genesiswho were  inspired to make somthing more challenging music for ther own sake but still play under the umbrella called Rock (n Roll)Approve


Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: May 20 2009 at 04:06
It was either John Peel or Lester Bangs, I think.
 
And if it wasn't one of them, it was Al Gore one afternoon while he was taking a break from inventing the internet.


Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: May 20 2009 at 04:42
Originally posted by npjnpj npjnpj wrote:

It was either John Peel or Lester Bangs, I think.
 
And if it wasn't one of them, it was Al Gore one afternoon while he was taking a break from inventing the internet.
 
Actually I don't think you're far wrong... about Al Gore, of courseWink


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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: May 20 2009 at 06:53
Prog was a cultural phenmenon. It was expressed in music, first (circa 1964) via segments of songs (Animals, Beatles, Yardbirds, Who, Beach Boys), then (circa 1966) entire songs (Soft Machine, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Doors) and finally (1968) via entire albums (possibly, Ars longa vita Brevis, East Of Eden 'Mercator Projected', Vanilla Fudge 'Renaissance', The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, HP Lovecraft II, Touch, Soft Machine).
 
But it seems that prog rock as an album concept was introduced on ItCotCK.
 
On the live scene, possibly Soft Machine and Pink Floyd were playing entire gigs of 'prog' in 1966.


Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: May 20 2009 at 06:59
Originally posted by earlyprog earlyprog wrote:

Prog was a cultural phenmenon. It was expressed in music, first (circa 1964) via segments of songs (Animals, Beatles, Yardbirds, Who, Beach Boys), then (circa 1966) entire songs (Soft Machine, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, Doors) and finally (1968) via entire albums (possibly, Ars longa vita Brevis, East Of Eden 'Mercator Projected', Vanilla Fudge 'Renaissance', The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, HP Lovecraft II, Touch, Soft Machine).
 
But it seems that prog rock as an album concept was introduced on ItCotCK.
 
On the live scene, possibly Soft Machine and Pink Floyd were playing entire gigs of 'prog' in 1966.
 
I still don't think we'll ever know, but IMO your post is about as close as we'll get.Smile
 
Re the live scene, Nick Mason says almost exactly what you do in his book Inside Out. And also mentions obscure never-stood-a-chance bands who did something along these lines even earlier.


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: May 20 2009 at 12:11
I'd say the first progressive stuff was the Big Bang.  Nothing before it sounded even remotely like it (that we know of).  Therefore my vote goes to Other.  LOL

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Posted By: Scarlet
Date Posted: May 22 2009 at 09:51
Other invented prog.

Wikipedia says:

Quote The Nice were an English progressive rock band from the 1960s, known for their unique blend of rock, jazz and classical music. Their debut album, The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack was released in 1967 to immediate acclaim. It is often considered the first progressive rock album.


Posted By: cronholm
Date Posted: May 22 2009 at 18:11
No one invented Prog.
 
But one day, Prog looked at the world and thought: "Hmmm. There's something missing here." And lo and behold did he invent some bands to properly shape the sounds in his head so that mere mortals could hear them too. And all was well with the world.
 
From Genesis: XIV, part XXV (unabridged version)
 
 


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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: May 23 2009 at 00:08
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

It was either Thomas Edison or Nikolai Tesla depending on your point of view.

Atually, without Tesla it very well could be that electronic music has progressed as far as it has. How could prog exist without mellotrons or hammond organs? Maybe the electric guitar might not have been as prominent as it has been if it wasn't for AC.

I would have to say that I think In the Court of the Crimson King is the first fully fledged prog album, although I'm not saying The Moody Blues weren't prog, they seem more cross-over to me. ITCOTCK seems a lot less conventional because Days of Future Passed still has the feeling of conventional songs within the overall album, but KC has parts that are completely unconventional, like the ending of Moon Child. Still, I guess The Moody Blues did come firster.


Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: May 23 2009 at 03:50
Originally posted by Scarlet Scarlet wrote:

Other invented prog.

Wikipedia says:

Quote The Nice were an English progressive rock band from the 1960s, known for their unique blend of rock, jazz and classical music. Their debut album, The Thoughts of Emerlist Davjack was released in 1967 to immediate acclaim. It is often considered the first progressive rock album.
Let's consider wikipedia as an advocate, not an authority, here.  We have plenty of posters who are just as informed about prog rock as wikipedia's contributors.

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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: May 23 2009 at 03:54
Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

one image sums it all up
 
I'll grant you that this album was influential, very influential, in the development of prog.  I will not grant that this was the beginning, however.  This just added some really good stuff to the mix.

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: May 23 2009 at 04:06
I think Floyd did before KC, but Procul Harum led the way by days.....

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Posted By: llamalime
Date Posted: September 20 2009 at 23:08
Beethoven.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 23 2009 at 18:52
In The Court of The Crimson King was the first actual prog album IMO, but The Beatles had many leading up to that.

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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 04:20

Who invented prog? 

Procol Harum. No, wait, The Beach Boys. 

Gah, screw it, I bet it was Bach. 

Ah, but who was the first prog rock BAND? Hmm...probably Crimso. 



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Posted By: Cinderella Man
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 08:59
i'll go with Pink Floid


Posted By: omri
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 10:09
I did not vote. As many others here I believe it is not an invention but kind of evolution (yes, Darwin again).
However, for first steps in that evolution I seriously suggest Igor Stravinsky. I think he is the first one that wrote music that  affected both, heart and brain.


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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 10:53
Wasn't this thread asleep since May? Did we need to revive him? 


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 11:48
It's an interesting topic, I think.  I haven't read through the thread, but I would have included Cream on the list.  And of course The Beach Boys.  I think one could also include bands such as The Byrds.

Very notable missing options: The Mothers of Invention and Soft Machine.  I'm voting other.


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Posted By: Rushlover13
Date Posted: September 24 2009 at 19:05
King Crimson, definatly.

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Posted By: sealchan
Date Posted: September 25 2009 at 17:56

From my limited point of view and to use volleyball as a metaphor...

...The Beatles set the ball and all the rest spiked it over the net!
 
 


Posted By: Visioner
Date Posted: September 25 2009 at 18:17
 
More a collaborative creation than an invention. 
 
More and more added on.  Building upon that which started before. 
Finally takes a definable and recognizable form.
 
Sorta like a snowman.  Only more magical and melodic.  Wink
 
But recognize:   the orginal snowball was definitely the Beatles.   Thumbs Up
 
 


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Posted By: inrainbows
Date Posted: September 25 2009 at 18:38
...And on the 7th day He created PROG, and He was more than happy!!
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: September 25 2009 at 20:28
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Posted By: guitargods2009
Date Posted: September 26 2009 at 05:02
This would never be an easy one to answer without further indepth discussion and likewise debating as well.  A quick answer would be King Crimson. Here's why. While groups like Yes, Pink Floyd, Genesis and even Rush actually exsisted before Crimso offically formed, they weren't condsidered progressive rock then (though some of them might of displayed early signs of progressing but not so much during this early period). The term progressive rock didn't even exsist until it was applied by music reviewers regarding King Crimson's early live performances and record reviews in publications such as MNE and Melody Maker. And unlike any of the bands mentioned earlier, King Crimson was a progressive rock unit right from day one unlike their contemporaries like Pink Floyd (starting out as a psychedelic act), Jethro Tull (blues-rock) or Mooody Blues (R&B) for example.  Bands like the Beatles and the Mothers were exploring uncharted musical boundries in the mid-60's in essence progressing from what was the norm at the time (call it proto-prog if you will). And then a revamped Moody Blues would go and release an album entitled "Days Of Future Passed" which further instilled the movement toward prog. But one would just need to listen to "In The Court..." by KC to actually hear of what was to become beacuse there was definetly nothing like it at all prior to it's release. Such bands immediately took notice and the rest is prog history.   
 


Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: September 26 2009 at 05:13
Stravinsky, Miles Davis, Frank Zappa, Syd Barret, Robert Fripp are the founding fathers.
But they too stood on the shoulders og other gaints.  
 


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Posted By: guitargods2009
Date Posted: September 26 2009 at 05:14
 
Actually, Lord Sutch invented prog!!!   
 
 


Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: September 26 2009 at 13:48
All of the above

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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 03:07
Originally posted by guitargods2009 guitargods2009 wrote:

 
Actually, Lord Sutch invented prog!!!   
 
 
 
Tongue I once bought that in a bargain bin on the strength of the line-up. Boy was i disappointedAngry


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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: October 12 2009 at 03:12
King Crimson invented what we know now as prog.But that means nothing.

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