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Atavachron 
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both the Nice's and Procol Harum's debuts were released in '67, making them both strong contenders as bands offering a music that was beginning to seriously move forward from the art-psych of the 1960s into a movement.. ItCotCK may be the first 'prog record' with all important elements come together but clearly the Nice and PH were onto something years before Crimson had even formed, Fripp still doing his kitsch stuff with Giles,Giles&Fripp.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: May 15 2009 at 20:45 |
 Atavachron wrote:
both the Nice's and Procol Harum's debuts were released in '67, making them both strong contenders as bands offering a music that was beginning to seriously move forward from the art-psych of the 1960s into a movement.. ItCotCK may be the first 'prog record' with all important elements come together but clearly the Nice and PH were onto something years before Crimson had even formed, Fripp still doing his kitsch stuff with Giles,Giles&Fripp.
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Agree, The Thoughts of the Emerlist Davjack, is a turning point IMO, but not necessarilly the creation.
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crimson87
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Posted: May 15 2009 at 21:22 |
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Mr Keith Emerson
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Easy Money
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Posted: May 15 2009 at 21:27 |
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Without bothering to look anything up (classic internet musicology) I think the first Progressive Rock album was Procol Harum's Shine on Brightly.
Zappa was doing avant/fusion/satire etc, but way back then we didn't really call zappa prog-rock, he was more in that near miss category with The Beatles, Doors and Hendrix.
Zappa's music became more prog like after he fired the Mothers.
The first 'prog' artist though is Les Baxter.
Edited by Easy Money - May 15 2009 at 21:35
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AlexUC
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Posted: May 15 2009 at 21:38 |
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Albert Einstein, with Darwin influences
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This is not my beautiful house...
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 00:43 |
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There have been so many of this same poll basically, a better question to ask: Who invented the Who was the inventor of prog poll?
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 00:45 |
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
There have been so many of this same poll basically, a better question to ask: Who invented the Who was the inventor of prog poll? |
Robert Fripp and Frank Zappa collaborated on it.
Edited by Henry Plainview - May 16 2009 at 00:46
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Prometheus
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:21 |
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It was actually an invention on behalf of the Romans who synthesized a style out of Hellenic, Asiatic, Etruscan, and Egyptian elements. Of course, greccophiles are more likely to pick of the hellenic style itself, given that it represents the synthesis of greek, persian and Egyptian elements already. then of course, there are those people that reject just an ethnocentric view entirely and look instead at India since that culture also represented the synthesis of ancient middle-eastern and native Indian styles.
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"Tell me why world, unfathomable and good,
The beauty of everything is infinite and cruel."
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:23 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
Petrovsk Mizinski wrote:
There have been so many of this same poll basically, a better question to ask: Who invented the Who was the inventor of prog poll? |
Robert Fripp and Frank Zappa collaborated on it. |
so emo and lame
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mrcozdude
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:24 |
LiquidEternity wrote:
The Mothers of Invention.
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I think I have to agree but to be more fun and co-operative I'll go with KC but Yes probably fit the public stereotype more
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:33 |
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Marillion
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:43 |
stonebeard wrote:
Marillion
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Nah man it was Stonebeard
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:48 |
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stonebeard wrote:
Marillion
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Nah man it was Stonebeard
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No they were hacks. Marillion also invented electronica, hip-hop, philosophy, and the Ginsu knife.
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AlexUC
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 01:53 |
stonebeard wrote:
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Eh... the second time. The question isn't "who invented warm water?"
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This is not my beautiful house...
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Hercules
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 03:00 |
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Procol Harum or The Moody Blues at about the same time.
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correct, with slightly more weight to Harum
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Thank you. I agree that Procul Harum probably just got in first. Their self-titled debut and Shine on Brightly have more than enough elements of prog to be considered true prog albums and the debut was released just before the Moodies released Days of Future Passed. But anyone suggesting King Crimson must have a very limited knowledge of prog since several other bands had released albums that are clearly prog well before In the Court of the Crimson King, even if this album was perhaps the first to use the swathes of mellotron that some consider the defining feature of prog. Floyd released 2 albums that are undeniably prog before KC released their first album. It seems to me that some on here will vote for KC in ANY poll no matter what.
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el dingo
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 07:30 |
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Nobody. An evolution, not an invention, IMO
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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CPicard
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 09:22 |
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I thought we were done with this question for years.
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E-Dub
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 09:45 |
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It was either Orville and Wilbur Prog or Alexander Graham Prog. I forget which one, though.
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el dingo
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I guess that's the Wright answer. It sure rings a Bell.
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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mrcozdude
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Posted: May 16 2009 at 10:11 |
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These questions also do full circles.Eventually we'll narrow it down to classical composers and back again.
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