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Lucent ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: September 18 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 259 |
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I hate to break it to myself, but my impression of the boards when I read the posts is a large, conservative arrogance. And I despise conservative notions.
This was later proven to me when the collaberators/admins had more priority over the common user reviews as of 1 or 2 years ago. I don't remember. I barely post here anyway. ...No offense.
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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My Theory (draft 1):
Before mankind developed language repetitive tones and rhythms (that we now call music) were our only means of communication. Most creatures on this Earth use recognisable patterns to communicate with each other, either in visual display or as vocalised calls, and man is no different (there is even speculation that Neanderthals could create music).
In the 'wild' these sounds are used in four main ways - 1) to announce a presence (I am here) - 2) to bond with a collective, pack, tribe or clan (I belong), 3) to communicate an emotion (I am hungry, angry, scared, happy, heartbroken, horny) and 4) to attract a mate (I am ready and waiting
![]() ![]() The main use for music is to convey emotion - it is no accident that there are so many love songs and ballads, or that there are happy songs and sad songs.
One of the consequences of using repetitive sounds to 'attract a mate' is animals have ability to make subjective comparisons between two different mating calls to chose the better partner. In humans we no longer use this to find a mate, but we still retain the ability to make subjective comparisons and judge whether one collection of sounds is better than another. This ability allows us to associate with styles of music that we subjectively find more 'attractive' and to appreciate them on an aesthetic level.
It is part of the group-dynamic that your 'tribe' sees themselves as better than the next 'tribe' - this is a natural human trait that is present when any group of people get together so that the group stays together - if you thought that another 'tribe' was better then you would join that one instead. Once you are accepted into the 'tribe' your personal behaviour will be modified by the collective in a process called norming. This means you will be drawn deeper into the 'tribe' so that you not only see your 'tribe' as being better than the next 'tribe', but everything your 'tribe' likes is better than what another 'tribe' likes. Of course being part of the 'tribe' means that you will defend it and what it likes.
Therefore if 'we' think Progressive music is superior it is not because we are arrogant, but because it is human-nature to think that.
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valravennz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: March 20 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 2546 |
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I've never felt arrogant about being a prog listener - just superior to those who listen to masses of rap/hip hop and today's pop music!
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LandofLein ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 02 2009 Location: Temecula, CA Status: Offline Points: 214 |
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Well, I felt a little arrogant when I attempted to explain what prog was to my my friend who only listens to pop punk. When I said that the musicianship was generally better than most genres and the songs more complex, he got a little offended, and proceeded to change the song we were listening to (Dogs-PF) to NOFX or Blink 182 or something like that
So I think that there is some feeling of superiority, I don't look down on my friends for liking music that I think is bad, I just think my taste in music is better (obviously, because no one is going to admit that there taste in music is bad)
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el böthy ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
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Oh man is that true! The other time I wrote a prog-pop song that I think is actually catchy... first time I got it right! It´s not simple to be simple |
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"You want me to play what, Robert?"
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progrules ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: September 14 2007 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 958 |
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A day without prog is a wasted day
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
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Eccentrica Gallumbits?
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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I'd go with the other one... ![]() |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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infandous ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 23 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2447 |
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Well, since it's obvious to anyone capable of thought that prog is far superior to all other forms of music, I don't see how someone who likes it could be called arrogant. I mean, if it wasn't so superior you wouldn't read about it all the time and hear it on the radio all the time and in clubs all the time and .......................... oh, wait, never mind.
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() But seriously, I went through a phase where I felt I was in some special uber intelligent secret society because I listed to PROG and the rest of the world was ignorant and just didn't understand REAL music. I have since recovered, largely when I realized that putting on Univers Zero and Van der Graaf Generator was having a negative effect on the outcome of my dates with women ![]() But the truth is, if you are a progger for more than a couple years, you start to realize that any arrogance or superiority you may feel is obviously misguided. We are a definite (and relatively small) minority of the music listening world (though there is overlap, of course). The only thing that might be true of proggers and might not of many other listeners is that the very nature of prog makes us tend to be more open to other genres of music (though in my own case it was other genre's of music........jazz, classical, and rock.........that led me to prog). ![]() |
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inrainbows ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 20 2008 Location: on a rainbow Status: Offline Points: 489 |
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I totally agree Matthew, good stuff and ..the other stuff. Arrogant? Not me . The prog itself is by far better than pop ![]() |
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Alitare ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
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No, I do that often...
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el dingo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 08 2008 Location: Norwich UK Status: Offline Points: 7053 |
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That, my friend, Is one heck of a concept. Now if you'd said listening to Jackson while thinking of Beefheart I'd have been really worried
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It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough.
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JJT9/8 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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Thanks for making me relevant!
Now there's an idea for a whole new topic...how about listening to Bjork while thinking about Diana Krall.. |
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Alitare ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
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Aw, come on! My sense of humor is too strong to let something like that settle into obscurity.
I guess if what I said were analogized to music, I'd be listening to Captain Beefheart, but be thinking of Michael Jackson? |
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JJT9/8 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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LOL...I knew it!..You are as much a swine as I am...
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Alitare ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
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But I'd be thinking of the boobed one while making love...
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JJT9/8 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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Perfect answer..I have to admit that you are a better man than I am..
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Alitare ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2008 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 3595 |
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The boobless one, because her affliction has probably humbled her and made her personality more powerful and deep, perhaps she'd have spent more time culling her intellectual garden and thus be a more solid choice. Plus, you wouldn't have to worry as much about her cheating on you.
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JJT9/8 ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: April 18 2009 Status: Offline Points: 19 |
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I don't think anybody is saying pop is better. What I'm reading is that music is subjective and doesn't have to be prog to be enjoyable or good. There are good and bad features in both genres.
I would never presume to tell others what they should or should not listen to. If all you want to listen to is un-aesthetically pleasing music, cool!.. I like some of that too, but in small doses.(how much of Satriani or Dream Theatre can one take before thinking, OK, enough already, I get your point.) (By the way, someone tells you that 2 girls that you know nothing about want to go out with you.One has boobs and the other doesn't. Who are you going to choose?..I think I know the answer... |
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Failcore ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 27 2006 Status: Offline Points: 4625 |
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This thread should be renamed the arrogant poppie. I see mostly posts on how pop is better because it's more aesthetically pleasing. You know what big boobs are too, but Iook for more than that in my dates too.
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