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Alberto Muñoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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I feel very worry about the near epidemic proportions that have this new kind of disease in the capital city.
I will stay the whole weekend in my house to preserve the integrity of my family and me.
Please forum members share your experiences about this.
Thank you.
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Slartibartfast ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29630 |
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Is this a new strain as far as you know? One that has not had a vaccine developed for it yet?
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Alberto Muñoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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Yes is a new one, imported from United States and Canada
the health autorithies do not know about the consecuences of the common vaccine, this is about his efectiviness
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_04_24/en/index.html
Susceptible to Tamifu / oseltamivir works best when the disease is caught within the first 24 hours. Sudden onset of fever, cough, body aches.
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Alberto Muñoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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Great info you post Negoba, local authorities do not said that. Thanks
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memowakeman ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 19 2005 Location: Mexico City Status: Offline Points: 13033 |
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yeah, the authoirities decided to close all the schools today in Mexico City, people is scared and yeah this is a strange case, i dont really remember something similar in the last years, we have to take care of ourselves
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Alberto Muñoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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You are right Memo, in fact the authorities are evaluating if this measure will last the next week
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Raff ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
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I was out earlier today, and just saw the news on the website of the Italian newspaper I usually read... It seems a very serious thing, and I can only imagine how worried our Mexican friends must be. There have been a few deaths in the border states of the US too, and it seems that even EU authorities are concerned about the gravity of the situation.
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Atkingani ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: October 21 2005 Location: Terra Brasilis Status: Offline Points: 12288 |
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Newspapers here are telling about a mutation of a swine virus... are we talking about the same thing?
For those who can read Portuguese (Raff, Memo, Iván, Muñoz, etc), the spot was:
O vírus é um vírus de gripe A designado como H1N1. Ele contém DNA típico de vírus aviários, suínos e humanos, incluindo elementos dos vírus suínos europeus e asiáticos, disse o CDC.
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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There are sporadic cases of swine influenza that cross to humans every year, usually by people in close contact with pigs who get a big dose of virus. Occasionally a strain of the virus mutates, allowing it to cross more easily. Most mutations are actually bad for the virus, so it causes mild or no disease and the strain fizzles out. However, sometimes, because the strain is new to human immune system as a population, it can spread more quickly or be more virulent. As time passes, the collective immune system knocks it back down to typical levels of virulence.
This appears to be a case of a strain that crossed and is now spread human to human. It remains to be seen how serious it will be given that we now have anti-influenza medication, better public health measures, etc. It's also unknown whether the flu vaccine this year makes any difference. It's doubtful that it will offer complete resistance since this is a new strain, but sometimes you get some partial protection.
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Finnforest ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: The Heartland Status: Offline Points: 17298 |
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Is this less serious than the dreaded future Avian flu they keep talking about? The Avian flu is supposed to be horror once it can jump human to human. This swine one already can, so is there something about this swine flu that makes it less dangerous than avian?
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Negoba ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: July 24 2008 Location: Big Muddy Status: Offline Points: 5210 |
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First of all mutation is a scary word that just means that a virus has changed a few of its characteristics. All of the things we are talking about are influenza, a virus that causes a respiratory illness ranging from something that looks like the common cold to something that can cause fatal pneumonia. Most of the influenza that goes around year after year gives a respiratory condition that makes you feel like you've been hit by a truck, significant fever, headache, and a cough. It is typically only dangerous for people who are already weak. Occasionally, very new strands (and influenza has an extremely high different number of varieties) are more virulent, they get nasty faster. In these cases, those with healthy immune systems suffer because the chemical battle between the immune system and the virus can injure the lungs leading to pneumonia or respiratory failure. The bird flu is similar, it usually stays in birds and rarely crosses over, but it has caused severe illness. The scare a few years ago was that the nasty strain would be able to cross human to human, but that hasn't happened.
It remains to be seen how virulent this strain is or how well it passes person to person. So far it's not absolutely certain that all the cases in Mexico and southern U.S. are the same, though it's suspected. There have been no deaths in the U.S. but 60 in Mexico.
Every strain tends to weaken once it gets out into the population. It is in the virus' procreative interest to be less virulent and more contagious, and with multiple replications that's exactly what happens. Edited by Negoba - April 24 2009 at 16:30 |
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Henry Plainview ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
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Basically, birds have all these weird scary viruses that can't affect us because our physiology is so different. However, birds share enough similarities with pigs that the virus could potentially mutate to attack pigs as well. Then the virus could affect humans as pigs and humans are physiologically much closer to us than they are to birds. The scares are in Asian and other rural areas because poor Asian farmers are much more likely to be keeping pigs and chickens together.
According to AP, this is also a combination of human and avian viruses and hass been striking down mostly healthy adults like the 1918 flu, which is worrying. However, even in the worst case scenario, I doubt we'll see that again. Science has advanced a lot since then, and we're not distracted and affected by the horrible conditions of World War 1. And who knows how much of this is media fear-mongering, although this seems much more serious than the silly avian flu from a while ago. Edited by Henry Plainview - April 25 2009 at 04:04 |
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Toaster Mantis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 12 2008 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 5898 |
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Maybe that Chinese SARS outbreak a handful of years ago is a better parallel, then? I really hope it doesn't get anywhere that bad, though, because from what I read it looks like SARS did get pretty bad in Asia. ![]() |
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Mexico flu 'a potential pandemic'
"A new flu virus suspected of killing at least 60 people in Mexico has the potential to become a pandemic, the World Health Organization's chief says." 'A top US health official said the strain of swine flu, designated H1N1, had spread widely and could not be contained." I'm really starting to worry about our Mexican friends here. Hold on fellows! |
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Alberto Muñoz ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2006 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 3577 |
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Latest news:
First this Influenza kill more than 100 people It's spread in 3 provinces of the country. Children go to school after the 6 of may. And ALL public events are suspended public and private. Museums, Threathers, Concerts, etc. are strictly suspended. |
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KoS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 17 2005 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 16310 |
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^yikes, but it's good that they are taking all precautions.
I'm certainly watching this closely. |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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I heard on the BBC world service this morning, that there had been cases in New York. However, I also heard that none of the US cases - so far - had been fatal. This is one anomoly that is confusing the authorities; why have the only deaths been in Mexico? Although it seems you have heard differently from your source. I wish media would work together on things this important, and get their facts straight! ![]() |
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Blacksword ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
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Edited by Blacksword - April 26 2009 at 05:06 |
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The Doctor ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 23 2005 Location: The Tardis Status: Offline Points: 8543 |
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My guess is that because we Americans love to go to the doctor whenever we get a sniffle. This probably has led to earlier treatment with Tamiflu or whatever, and prevented anyone in the US from dying. I've also heard that most of the cases in the US have been children which seem to fight the disease better than adults.
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