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Topic: Influenza A (H1N1) near epidemic
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Subject: Influenza A (H1N1) near epidemic
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 14:47
I feel very worry about the near epidemic proportions that have this new kind of disease in the capital city.
 
I will stay the whole weekend in my house to preserve the integrity of my family and me.
 
Please forum members share your experiences about this.
Thank you.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 14:50
Is this a new strain as far as you know?  One that has not had a vaccine developed for it yet?

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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 14:52
Yes is a new one, imported from United States and Canada
 
the health autorithies do not know about the consecuences of the common vaccine, this is about his efectiviness
 


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 14:56
http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_04_24/en/index.html - http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_04_24/en/index.html
 
Susceptible to Tamifu / oseltamivir works best when the disease is caught within the first 24 hours. Sudden onset of fever, cough, body aches.
 
 


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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 15:00
Great info you post Negoba, local authorities do not said that. Thanks

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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 15:02
yeah, the authoirities decided to close all the schools today in Mexico City, people is scared and yeah this is a strange case, i dont really remember something similar in the last years, we have to take care of ourselves

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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 15:11
You are right Memo, in fact the authorities are evaluating if this measure will last the next week

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 15:24
I was out earlier today, and just saw the news on the website of the Italian newspaper I usually read... It seems a very serious thing, and I can only imagine how worried our Mexican friends must be. There have been a few deaths in the border states of the US too, and it seems that even EU authorities are concerned about the gravity of the situation.


Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 15:31
Newspapers here are telling about a mutation of a swine virus... are we talking about the same thing?
 
For those who can read Portuguese (Raff, Memo, Iván, Muñoz, etc), the spot was:
O vírus é um vírus de gripe A designado como H1N1. Ele contém DNA típico de vírus aviários, suínos e humanos, incluindo elementos dos vírus suínos europeus e asiáticos, disse o CDC.
 
  http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0,,MUL1097172-5602,00-GRIPE+SUINA+MORTAL+ATINGE+O+MEXICO+E+PODE+SE+ESPALHAR.html - http://g1.globo.com/Noticias/Mundo/0,,MUL1097172-5602,00-GRIPE+SUINA+MORTAL+ATINGE+O+MEXICO+E+PODE+SE+ESPALHAR.html


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 15:41
There are sporadic cases of swine influenza that cross to humans every year, usually by people in close contact with pigs who get a big dose of virus. Occasionally a strain of the virus mutates, allowing it to cross more easily. Most mutations are actually bad for the virus, so it causes mild or no disease and the strain fizzles out. However, sometimes, because the strain is new to human immune system as a population, it can spread more quickly or be more virulent. As time passes, the collective immune system knocks it back down to typical levels of virulence.
 
This appears to be a case of a strain that crossed and is now spread human to human. It remains to be seen how serious it will be given that we now have anti-influenza medication, better public health measures, etc. It's also unknown whether the flu vaccine this year makes any difference. It's doubtful that it will offer complete resistance since this is a new strain, but sometimes you get some partial protection.


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 16:02
Is this less serious than the dreaded future Avian flu they keep talking about?    The Avian flu is supposed to be horror once it can jump human to human.  This swine one already can, so is there something about this swine flu that makes it less dangerous than avian?

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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 24 2009 at 16:27

First of all mutation is a scary word that just means that a virus has changed a few of its characteristics. All of the things we are talking about are influenza, a virus that causes a respiratory illness ranging from something that looks like the common cold to something that can cause fatal pneumonia. Most of the influenza that goes around year after year gives a respiratory condition that makes you feel like you've been hit by a truck, significant fever, headache, and a cough. It is typically only dangerous for people who are already weak. Occasionally, very new strands (and influenza has an extremely high different number of varieties) are more virulent, they get nasty faster. In these cases, those with healthy immune systems suffer because the chemical battle between the immune system and the virus can injure the lungs leading to pneumonia or respiratory failure.

The bird flu is similar, it usually stays in birds and rarely crosses over, but it has caused severe illness. The scare a few years ago was that the nasty strain would be able to cross human to human, but that hasn't happened.
 
It remains to be seen how virulent this strain is or how well it passes person to person. So far it's not absolutely certain that all the cases in Mexico and southern U.S. are the same, though it's suspected. There have been no deaths in the U.S. but 60 in Mexico.
 
Every strain tends to weaken once it gets out into the population. It is in the virus' procreative interest to be less virulent and more contagious, and with multiple replications that's exactly what happens.


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 03:56
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Is this less serious than the dreaded future Avian flu they keep talking about?    The Avian flu is supposed to be horror once it can jump human to human.  This swine one already can, so is there something about this swine flu that makes it less dangerous than avian?
Basically, birds have all these weird scary viruses that can't affect us because our physiology is so different. However, birds share enough similarities with pigs that the virus could potentially mutate to attack pigs as well. Then the virus could affect humans as pigs and humans are physiologically much closer to us than they are to birds. The scares are in Asian and other rural areas because poor Asian farmers are much more likely to be keeping pigs and chickens together.
 
According to http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gzz357patY4-QaJFvo9O95zMM_EQD97P008G2 - AP , this is also a combination of human and avian viruses and hass been striking down mostly healthy adults like the 1918 flu, which is worrying. However, even in the worst case scenario, I doubt we'll see that again. Science has advanced a lot since then, and we're not distracted and affected by the horrible conditions of World War 1. And who knows how much of this is media fear-mongering, although this seems much more serious than the silly avian flu from a while ago.


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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 05:28
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Science has advanced a lot since then, and we're not distracted and affected by the horrible conditions of World War 1. And who knows how much of this is media fear-mongering, although this seems much more serious than the silly avian flu from a while ago.


Maybe that Chinese SARS outbreak a handful of years ago is a better parallel, then? I really hope it doesn't get anywhere that bad, though, because from what I read it looks like SARS did get pretty bad in Asia. Confused


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Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: April 25 2009 at 17:11
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8018356.stm - Mexico flu 'a potential pandemic'

"A new flu virus suspected of killing at least 60 people in Mexico has the potential to become a pandemic, the World Health Organization's chief says."

'A top US health official said the strain of swine flu, designated H1N1, had spread widely and could not be contained."


I'm really starting to worry about our Mexican friends here. Hold on fellows!


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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 00:37
Latest news:

First this Influenza kill more than 100 people

It's spread in 3 provinces of the country.

Children go to school after the 6 of may.

And ALL public events are suspended public and private.

Museums, Threathers, Concerts, etc. are strictly suspended.




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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 00:48
^yikes, but it's good that they are taking all precautions.
I'm certainly watching this closely.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 05:01
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I was out earlier today, and just saw the news on the website of the Italian newspaper I usually read... It seems a very serious thing, and I can only imagine how worried our Mexican friends must be. There have been a few deaths in the border states of the US too, and it seems that even EU authorities are concerned about the gravity of the situation.


I heard on the BBC world service this morning, that there had been cases in New York. However, I also heard that none of the US cases - so far - had been fatal. This is one anomoly that is confusing the authorities; why have the only deaths been in Mexico?

Although it seems you have heard differently from your source. I wish media would work together on things this important, and get their facts straight!


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 05:05
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8018991.stm - Latest from BBC


Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 05:18
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I was out earlier today, and just saw the news on the website of the Italian newspaper I usually read... It seems a very serious thing, and I can only imagine how worried our Mexican friends must be. There have been a few deaths in the border states of the US too, and it seems that even EU authorities are concerned about the gravity of the situation.


I heard on the BBC world service this morning, that there had been cases in New York. However, I also heard that none of the US cases - so far - had been fatal. This is one anomoly that is confusing the authorities; why have the only deaths been in Mexico?

Although it seems you have heard differently from your source. I wish media would work together on things this important, and get their facts straight!
 
My guess is that because we Americans love to go to the doctor whenever we get a sniffle.  This probably has led to earlier treatment with Tamiflu or whatever, and prevented anyone in the US from dying.  I've also heard that most of the cases in the US have been children which seem to fight the disease better than adults. 


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 10:55
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

 
My guess is that because we Americans love to go to the doctor whenever we get a sniffle. 


My guess is you don't know what the crap you are talking about. 

I have health insurance and I avoid going because it's a $40 co pay to see my doctor, who isn't available 24 hours a day and $100 to go to the emergency room.  The last time I needed medical attention, I put off going to the emergency room until things got really bad.  Wound up in ICU.Angry

Apologies if I was a bit impolite, but I'm getting a little sick and tired of the rhetoric coming out of the right wing in this in country in opposition to health insurance reform.


Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 11:02
Well I do hope it's nothing too serious.  I have friends coming back from Cancún this week and hope they haven't caught anything.

However. I believe there should not be any problem.


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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 11:08
These things only scare me when the mainstream media DOESN'T cover it.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 11:34
I do hope it's more of a panic than a real threat.  Anyone else out there thinking about The Stand?


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 11:41
The headlines these days have me only thinking about one thing.  Enjoy each day.  Hold your loved ones close.  Don't guilt yourself over that cigarette or that piece of fudge.  Have it, enjoy it.  The clock is ticking, whether this catastrophe or the next one coming round the bend.  

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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 12:31
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I do hope it's more of a panic than a real threat.  Anyone else out there thinking about The Stand?
 
So you're saying we should let Gary Sinise handle this?


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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 14:37
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

 
My guess is that because we Americans love to go to the doctor whenever we get a sniffle. 


My guess is you don't know what the crap you are talking about. 

I have health insurance and I avoid going because it's a $40 co pay to see my doctor, who isn't available 24 hours a day and $100 to go to the emergency room.  The last time I needed medical attention, I put off going to the emergency room until things got really bad.  Wound up in ICU.Angry

Apologies if I was a bit impolite, but I'm getting a little sick and tired of the rhetoric coming out of the right wing in this in country in opposition to health insurance reform.
 
Errrr...Confused  I'm actually in favor of health care reform.  But I do know a lot of people who go to the doctor for colds, etc. 
 
By the way, The Stand was my first thought too. 
 
I wonder whose side I'll end up on.  Ermm


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Posted By: avalanchemaster
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 16:23

It was only a matter of time.  And of course, for everyone, it truly IS a matter of time (regardless of any strain or any virus).  Hold the loved ones closest, my friends.......



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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 18:34
Well, here's wishing it's just something that only makes you feel like crap for a few a days and nothing worse if you should get it.

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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 26 2009 at 23:02
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/430261?rel=hp_picks - $900 million for pandemic preparation was cut out of the stimulus bill. Whoops!

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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 06:10
Definitely a matter for concern, but by the way the UK newspapers covered it this morning, you would have thought Captain Trips was on its way - I do wish the media would restrain themselves occasionally

Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Anyone else out there thinking about The Stand?

 

So you're saying we should let Gary Sinise handle this?


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 08:37
This has some good information
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2009/apr/27/swine-flu-tamiflu-vaccine - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2009/apr/27/swine-flu-tamiflu-vaccine
 
It should be noted that since 1918 there have been at least 4 major influenza outbreaks. This is definitely a cause for concern but also not a cause for panic. I do send my thoughts out to our Mexican friends whose country seems to be getting hit the hardest.


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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 09:28
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/430261?rel=hp_picks - $900 million for pandemic preparation was cut out of the stimulus bill. Whoops!
 
What the heck man?
 
That really pees me off. Of all the things they should have cut out of it... I guess they had bigger concerns, like http://www.nypost.com/seven/02112009/news/politics/congress_hopping_carts_154496.htm - $300 million for green golf carts.


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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 09:52
Update:
 
More than 100 deaths.
More provinces contaminated.
 


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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 09:54
Maybe we had a national stop all labor, we have to know later.
 
 


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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 12:09
My girlfriend has put my mind to rest by reminding me that I am a swine and not a human being. I am therefore not in the high risk category.


Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 12:34
Five minutes ago there was an earthquake of 6.0 in Richter scale, presumably no damages...
 
Just what we need...Cry


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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 14:55
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&t=p&msa=0&msid=106484775090296685271.0004681a37b713f6b5950&ll=32.639375,-110.390625&spn=15.738151,25.488281&source=embed - Watch the outbreak in real time with Google Maps! While you still can.
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Update:
 
More than 100 deaths.
More provinces contaminated.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/27/swine.flu/index.html - The WHO says there are 73 confirmed cases?
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Five minutes ago there was an earthquake of 6.0 in Richter scale, presumably no damages...
 
Just what we need...Cry
Holy crap, I think there's a deity angry at you. ;-)
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/430261?rel=hp_picks - $900 million for pandemic preparation was cut out of the stimulus bill.  Whoops!
 
What the heck man?
 
That really pees me off. Of all the things they should have cut out of it... I guess they had bigger concerns, like http://www.nypost.com/seven/02112009/news/politics/congress_hopping_carts_154496.htm - $300 million for green golf carts.
Everything looks stupid in hindsight.


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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 15:39
Well, if there is going to be a pandemic you are only 3 steps away from it. Working in reverse chronological order
 
Myself
My son at school
His classmate who has just returned from a holiday in Mexico. (Quite a few of his classmates went abroad for Easter. And a lot from his school did as well. It just so happens that the cases are reported in Mexico, but it could have been anywhere really. The number of links would still be the same.)
A local inhabitant.
 
 
Makes you think, eh?
 
 
 


Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 15:52
In Andrew Eldritch's words: It's a small world and it smells funny.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 15:55
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis Toaster Mantis wrote:

In Andrew Eldritch's words: It's a small world and it smells funny.

Hoof hearted.


Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:06
A confirmed case in Lorain, Ohio. 35 miles away from me... Great.

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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:19

It's made it that far already?

I live in TN, and I have relatives in Texas who say they're gonna drop by any day now. Dead


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:22
We're all gonna die.  It may take some time though.


Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:29
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ieHZRubAS3lyjn2GBiCPkXkHrXwwD97QROAG0 - Oh for the love of...

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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:36
Originally posted by boo boo boo boo wrote:

It's made it that far already?

I live in TN, and I have relatives in Texas who say they're gonna drop by any day now. Dead


Further...

It's made it to Spain and Scotland.

However, I'm not worried.  No deaths reported outside of Mexico so far.

As I said though, some friends of mine return from Cancún this week I believe.  However, that's in the south of Mexico, so I'm hoping they may have missed it. Big smile


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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:51
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ieHZRubAS3lyjn2GBiCPkXkHrXwwD97QROAG0 - Oh for the love of...


I too was disturbed when I saw that. In response to this story, the internet has come up with the name "jew flu."


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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 16:57
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ieHZRubAS3lyjn2GBiCPkXkHrXwwD97QROAG0 - Oh for the love of...


My rage at this idiocy cannot be contained.


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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 17:02
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ieHZRubAS3lyjn2GBiCPkXkHrXwwD97QROAG0 - Oh for the love of...


My rage at this idiocy cannot be contained.
 
As if a label like that, however accurate or ridiculous, could be changed once initiated anyway.
 
 


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 17:55
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ieHZRubAS3lyjn2GBiCPkXkHrXwwD97QROAG0 - Oh for the love of...


My rage at this idiocy cannot be contained.
 
As if a label like that, however accurate or ridiculous, could be changed once initiated anyway.
 
 



Oh for God's sake....what nonsense.  I thought it was an Onion headline at first.  People take themselves far too seriously with their sensitivities sometimes. 


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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: April 27 2009 at 18:29
Indeed every medical specialist has said the flu pandemic would happen in near future...sad news.
As Negoba has said in detail, this flu can confuse our human immune system and injure our lung seriously.
The problem is that the lung injury can happen not on elderly people or infants who don't get strict immunity, but on adolescents or young adults with enough immunity.
Well...even young people can get injured seriously because the confusion of immune system can be on a larger scale...

Please take care, all!


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 04:39
I came down with the type 2 last year.  I was vaccinated for 1, BTW.  I was hospitalized and quarantined.  It didn't make me feel too bad but the hospital personnel were rather concerned about what my blood tests were turning up before I was allowed to go home with a Tamiflue prescription. 

Excuse me, but I'm going to interject a little politics into this:

Tom Tomorrow:
http://thismodernworld.com/4753 - -->We don’t need no stinkin’ guvermint
http://thismodernworld.com/4753 -
http://thismodernworld.com/4753 -

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/nothing-to-say-by-digby-in-case-youre.html - Digby :

If you are a conservative you can’t believe that something like an epidemic or a pandemic could even exist or you would have to grant that the necessity for public health — a government function. Indeed, you even have to grant that a pandemic requires that people are going to be forced to behave in ways that explicitly explicitly define their own personal survival with the common good.

Rush is right to be a little bit nervous about this, though. Public health crises tend to focus the public on the usefulness of things like science, international cooperation, government coordination. You know, the sort of thing that liberals think are necessary. Something like that simply doesn’t fit into the conservative worldview. They see all problems and challenges in schoolyard terms of good guys and bad guys. This kind of challenge (like global warming) falls outside the paradigm by which they organize their world. Pandemics, like hurricanes, can’t be dealt with by using tough talk and threats. So, they are lost.

http://thismodernworld.com/category/uncategorized/ - Uncategorized | -->

posted by http://www.thismodernworld.com/ - Tom Tomorrow at 7:34 PM http://thismodernworld.com/4753 - | link



Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 05:01
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ieHZRubAS3lyjn2GBiCPkXkHrXwwD97QROAG0 - Oh for the love of...
 
I'm not sure whether to LOL, Cry or be Angry.
 
"We don't like the reference to pigs, so let's stigmatize the Mexicans instead."  Angry (ok, I've made a choice). 
 
How about "the somewhat offensive animal - which is not eaten by the Jewish or Arab people - related flu"?  Confused


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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: April 28 2009 at 05:11


Mexico: 152 suspected deaths from swine flu - 20 confirmed cases
US: 50 confirmed cases
Canada: 6 confirmed cases
New Zealand - 3 confirmed cases
UK - 2 confirmed cases
Spain: 2 confirmed case
Israel - 1 confirmed case
Countries with suspected cases: Brazil, Guatemala, Peru, Australia, and South Korea


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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 07:44
At last a victim of swine flu has come in US...really terrible I'm afraid.
Indeed the victim is an infant but...


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Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: April 29 2009 at 12:46
Since yesterday all restaurants can only sell food to take home. Also gyms, clubs, bars and concerts are not allowed (I was lucky too attend to Univers Zero's concert last week before all this came to public).

Yesterday i took the subway and it was almost empty, something really strange in this city.

Let's hope it stop spreading so fast and life would be back to normal.


Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 00:14
This is definetely being blown out of proportion. As a person in contact with the CDC, I can say that the statistics are a tad sensationalized. First of all, the only recorded deaths in Mexico were in a hospital. Who knows how many people have contracted the influenza and are fine now that have not even contacted the hospital? Second of all, this will probably end up like any other influenza outbreak. Yes, people will die but it probably isn't something to lose sleep over.

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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 00:45

Remember those 150 "confirmed" deaths?

Now they're saying it's only 7.
 
Wtf


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 05:12
Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ieHZRubAS3lyjn2GBiCPkXkHrXwwD97QROAG0 - Oh for the love of...
 
I'm not sure whether to LOL, Cry or be Angry.
 
"We don't like the reference to pigs, so let's stigmatize the Mexicans instead."  Angry (ok, I've made a choice). 
 
How about "the somewhat offensive animal - which is not eaten by the Jewish or Arab people - related flu"?  Confused


Uhm, how about Halal Goat Flu instead?

Bonus points for anyone who gets that somewhat obscure reference in that joke.

I'll make it a little easier for the curious:
http://www.uiowa.edu/%7Ec019225/halal1.html - http://www.uiowa.edu/~c019225/halal1.html


Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 11:24
Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

This is definetely being blown out of proportion. As a person in contact with the CDC, I can say that the statistics are a tad sensationalized. First of all, the only recorded deaths in Mexico were in a hospital. Who knows how many people have contracted the influenza and are fine now that have not even contacted the hospital? Second of all, this will probably end up like any other influenza outbreak. Yes, people will die but it probably isn't something to lose sleep over.
 
Yes Because the people who went to the hospital are near to death.
 
About the other question we do not know.Cry
 
The authorities have said that all the people who works in goverment like me, we stop all activities from 1 to 5 of may.
 
About your last statement you can say that because you do not live here, i ' very very worried.


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 12:13
Originally posted by Alberto Muñoz Alberto Muñoz wrote:

Originally posted by topofsm topofsm wrote:

This is definetely being blown out of proportion. As a person in contact with the CDC, I can say that the statistics are a tad sensationalized. First of all, the only recorded deaths in Mexico were in a hospital. Who knows how many people have contracted the influenza and are fine now that have not even contacted the hospital? Second of all, this will probably end up like any other influenza outbreak. Yes, people will die but it probably isn't something to lose sleep over.
 
Yes Because the people who went to the hospital are near to death.
 
About the other question we do not know.Cry
 
The authorities have said that all the people who works in goverment like me, we stop all activities from 1 to 5 of may.
 
About your last statement you can say that because you do not live here, i ' very very worried.


By the way, best wishes....


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 12:26

If we're all meant to die, nothing can stop it, so I just don't worry about things like this. So many people choose to live their lives in fear based on what they see on the news, but you know what? I can't do that. I have way too many other thyings in life to worry about.

I'm not saying this to be cruel or heartless; I'm saying it because it's true. We can all either go about our lives anbd try to live them as fully as possible despite the horrible events that happen, or we could all cowar in fear and never do anything. I do feel for each and every family touched by this epidemic, I honestly do. Cry



Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 12:50
It is not this outbreak to worry about which will likely slow down in the coming weeks.  It is the "boomerang effect" to be afraid of, where the virus can change again and come back with a huge vengeance many months later.  This is the effect that killed millions of people in 1918. 

Don't panic yet.  If it comes back next fall with a larger kill-rate, then look the hell out. 


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 14:45
I think we may have more to fear from the outbreak of panics from things, but I would not presume to judge folks in Mexico City who are having first hand experience...


Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 14:55
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

It is not this outbreak to worry about which will likely slow down in the coming weeks.  It is the "boomerang effect" to be afraid of, where the virus can change again and come back with a huge vengeance many months later.  This is the effect that killed millions of people in 1918. 

Don't panic yet.  If it comes back next fall with a larger kill-rate, then look the hell out. 
 
Except that there is almost certain to be a vaccine for this strain of H1N1 by then. It may not have full efficacy, but the chance of a high kill-rate later in the game is less. It's with a virulent, contagious virus coming in contact with a whole population of naive immune systems.
 
The different virulence in different countries really makes one wonder if there is a different rate of regular flu-shots in the population and if that is having any effect.


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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 14:58
It's hard to believe that Mexico is nearly 3rd world status. I hope things get better there soon!

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 15:01
This is hitting rather early in the flu season though.  As someone who works in the medical field, what do you think about it's potential coming on this early?  I appreciate it may just be pure speculation....

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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 19:08
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/un_who_swine_flu - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/un_who_swine_flu

Seriously? Confused


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 19:11
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

It is not this outbreak to worry about which will likely slow down in the coming weeks.  It is the "boomerang effect" to be afraid of, where the virus can change again and come back with a huge vengeance many months later.  This is the effect that killed millions of people in 1918. 

Don't panic yet.  If it comes back next fall with a larger kill-rate, then look the hell out. 
 
Except that there is almost certain to be a vaccine for this strain of H1N1 by then. It may not have full efficacy, but the chance of a high kill-rate later in the game is less. It's with a virulent, contagious virus coming in contact with a whole population of naive immune systems.
 
The different virulence in different countries really makes one wonder if there is a different rate of regular flu-shots in the population and if that is having any effect.


Interesting.  I thought the flu-shots out there now had no effect against this new swine flu?


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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 20:52
whether its a global crisis or not it's still quite worrying especially now it's reach Devon where I live.

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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 20:58
Originally posted by birdwithteeth11 birdwithteeth11 wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/un_who_swine_flu - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/un_who_swine_flu

Seriously? Confused


What the heck? Confused


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Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 21:06
Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by birdwithteeth11 birdwithteeth11 wrote:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/un_who_swine_flu - http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/un_who_swine_flu

Seriously? Confused


What the heck? Confused
Mob mentality.
People get scared and start doing stupid things.


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 21:08
^ pity all that delicious meat wasted


Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 21:24
This was just fundamentalist dogma. "Ah hah, look at what the infidels unclean meat causes. We'll show them how to deal with this!" Pure religious/political posturing.


Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 21:29
I'm truly sorry for anyone who has been affected by this outbreak, but the panic is disproportionate to the danger. 95% of people who will get this only have to fear nausea and vomiting. Health care is just teensy weensy bit better than 1917, so the mass hysterria and 24/7 media coverage needs to stop.


Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 21:29
Well that leaves one question
http://www.doihaveswineflu.org - http://www.doihaveswineflu.org

Find out there.





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Posted By: boo boo
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 22:17

http://www.smh.com.au/world/only-7-swine-flu-deaths-not-152-says-who-20090429-aml1.html - http://www.smh.com.au/world/only-7-swine-flu-deaths-not-152-says-who-20090429-aml1.html

Media hypefest much?

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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:27

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I'm truly sorry for anyone who has been affected by this outbreak, but the panic is disproportionate to the danger. 95% of people who will get this only have to fear nausea and vomiting. Health care is just teensy weensy bit better than 1917, so the mass hysterria and 24/7 media coverage needs to stop.

But you know as well as I that the governments and media stations of this world want to constantly keep us all under control via fear tactics and sensationalization of outbreaks like this. It's either viruses, natural disastors or temperature records being set. They talk about all this stuff happening ofor the very first time as if it's something that shouldn't be happening, and therefore we should be in hystarics over it.



Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 23:46
Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Well that leaves one question
http://www.doihaveswineflu.org - http://www.doihaveswineflu.org

Find out there.





Did anyone else get yes like me? Shocked


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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 00:20
Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Well that leaves one question
http://www.doihaveswineflu.org - http://www.doihaveswineflu.org

Find out there.





Did anyone else get yes like me? Shocked

LOL.ClapLOL


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 00:21
I don't know about the health system in Mexico, but if it's like peruviann, that would explain a lot of things.
 
What has to be appreciated is the economic condition of the dead people, for example, here in Perú every year, thousands die of common cold complications, because they live in the mountains, jungle or the medical services are terrible or simply because bad nutrition caused by extreme poverty or even because they go only when their condition is so terrible that it's too late, it's a terrible reality we live in the third world.

I don't know if people who died in Mexico come from urban centers, mountains or  ghettos (however they call them in Mexico, we call them Pueblos Jóvenes), where the attention is deficient, believe me, here in Peru people die in public hospitals even in Lima, for multiple causes that in private clinics are cured with a pill, sometimes the hospitals don't have basic medicines and people can't buy Azitromicine or a strong antibiotic for pneumonia...Just imagine how hard is to pay for an anti viral which is extremely expensive.

Countries as ours need really better free medical service.

It's specially important to notice that in USA only one person has died of the same virus, so maybe the health system is better.

It's still too soon to know, only time will tell.

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 07:16
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

Originally posted by moreitsythanyou moreitsythanyou wrote:

Well that leaves one question
http://www.doihaveswineflu.org - http://www.doihaveswineflu.org

Find out there.





Did anyone else get yes like me? Shocked

LOL.ClapLOL
 
LOLLOLLOL


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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 07:20
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I'm truly sorry for anyone who has been affected by this outbreak, but the panic is disproportionate to the danger. 95% of people who will get this only have to fear nausea and vomiting. Health care is just teensy weensy bit better than 1917, so the mass hysterria and 24/7 media coverage needs to stop.

But you know as well as I that the governments and media stations of this world want to constantly keep us all under control via fear tactics and sensationalization of outbreaks like this. It's either viruses, natural disastors or temperature records being set. They talk about all this stuff happening ofor the very first time as if it's something that shouldn't be happening, and therefore we should be in hystarics over it.

Well it is rather fortuitous for Obama and co that this outbreak should happen right before they begin to talk about socialized healthcare. Woo, now there's a thread topic for ya Wink


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 08:51
Don't want to make too light of a serious topic, but




Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 09:18
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

It's specially important to notice that in USA only one person has died of the same virus, so maybe the health system is better.



Actually, that person was a Mexican child who had been sick and traveled by plane to see family in Texas and try to get better medical care.  Apparently the child also has underlying health problems, but it is still an unbelievable tragedy for that family, as a father of a toddler this story hit me especially hard.


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 12:26
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I'm truly sorry for anyone who has been affected by this outbreak, but the panic is disproportionate to the danger. 95% of people who will get this only have to fear nausea and vomiting. Health care is just teensy weensy bit better than 1917, so the mass hysterria and 24/7 media coverage needs to stop.

But you know as well as I that the governments and media stations of this world want to constantly keep us all under control via fear tactics and sensationalization of outbreaks like this. It's either viruses, natural disastors or temperature records being set. They talk about all this stuff happening ofor the very first time as if it's something that shouldn't be happening, and therefore we should be in hystarics over it.

Well it is rather fortuitous for Obama and co that this outbreak should happen right before they begin to talk about socialized healthcare. Woo, now there's a thread topic for ya Wink

Indeed. LOL Clap



Posted By: why-do-i-bother
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 14:54
You can't beat  a bit of media hyped hysteria to get the world worked up. Firstly this virus is part bird flu part pig flu and part human flu. Throw it all together and .....hoopla swine flu.
 
There is no vaccine, and already in Mexico they have had to re-adjust the death rate figure downwards as to how many have died from it.
 
Most of these diseasesnad viruses come from, if not third world, countries then definitely second world countries where large masses of populace are thrown together in such small spaces, and most importantly, where the health care system is at best haphazrd or at worst downright dangerous.
 
Epidemic? Pandemic? i think WHO are covering all bases here, so as not to get caught out and be made to look fools.
 
aaaaachoooo.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 15:17
Originally posted by why-do-i-bother why-do-i-bother wrote:

 
Epidemic? Pandemic? i think WHO are covering all bases here, so as not to get caught out and be made to look fools.
 
aaaaachoooo.

Rrrrrryeaaaagggghhhh!!!!!
Oops, sorry wrong Who.Tongue


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 17:31

Apparently here we have only one case RELATED and 7 suspicious but not confirmed

A plane that came from Panama had an Argentinean 27 years woman who came from  Mexico, she started to show signs of the disease and the passengers practically ordered to stop in Perú and leave the girl (Lima was not a scale).

The pilot LIED and said a cardiac patient with hypothermia was very seasick, so the authorities authorized the landing, the surprise was when the 27 years woman had high fever, bleeding nose, etc.

(It's in Spanish) http://www.tnews.com.pe/not_am/nm300409.htm - http://www.tnews.com.pe/not_am/nm300409.htm
 
That was irresponsible of the pilot, because even if he had said the patient had A(H1N1) signs and was very ill, the authorities had to authorize the landing, but the doctors would had taken all precautions.

Apparently the patient has a H1 influenza but not the N1 factor, so it could be a different virus or a mutation.

That pilot should be fired and sued in Perú, if are going to take the risk of accepting a passenger with an epidemic disease, the least we deserve is the chance to take all the precautions.

Iván



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Posted By: weetabix
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 18:36
[QUOTE=Alberto Muñoz]Yes is a new one, imported from United States and Canada
 
the health autorithies do not know about the consecuences of the common vaccine, this is about his efectiviness
 
    How come Canada and the US are not suffering as much as Mexico? If it started in Cn./ US?


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: May 01 2009 at 21:02
Originally posted by weetabix weetabix wrote:

[QUOTE=Alberto Muñoz]Yes is a new one, imported from United States and Canada
 
the health autorithies do not know about the consecuences of the common vaccine, this is about his efectiviness
 
    How come Canada and the US are not suffering as much as Mexico? If it started in Cn./ US?

Because it's not as big of a killer as the media is making it out be, for one.

Also, the healthcare in countries like USA, Canada and England is very top-notch, if not a little unfair (in the USA, anyway). This means that the folks in these countries are already more or less 'immune' to the virus' worst affects because of the great healthcare.

Hope that answers your question.



Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: May 03 2009 at 22:14
I don't think the piggy flu is that big of a killer, but it seems that it is infecting more and more people here in http://www.wwmt.com/news/probably-1362073-influenza-announced.html - Michigan . I would like to stay flu free, so I guess I'll stay holed up here for the summer. Wink


Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 02:42
On Medscape Medical News, I've got some of the newest informations of H1N1 flu.
  • The incubation period of H1N1 flu, now estimated about 1 to 5 days, may be shorter than originally thought.
  • Now community transmission in Europe is not seen and the flu cases still are mostly travel related.
  • Currently the pandemic alart level is remaining at phase 5 and not presently moving to the highest level.
  • People who tend to be infected should be relatively younger, mostly younger than 60...the average age seems to be people in their mid-20s.
  • The reason above-mentioned remains unclear but simply younger people may travel more and have greater exposure to the virus.
  • Women and men are being infected at the same rate.
  • Severe respiratory illness, such as severe pneumonia requiring ventilation, may be the cause for most hospitalizations and deaths.
  • And now it's unclear whether severe illness should occur frequently or not.
  • Oseltamivir and zanamivir may be effective against H1N1 flu, but to rimantadine and amantadine the virus usually shows resistance.
Please wash your hands and wear a mask. Wink


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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 18:26
Originally posted by A Person A Person wrote:

I don't think the piggy flu is that big of a killer, but it seems that it is infecting more and more people here in http://www.wwmt.com/news/probably-1362073-influenza-announced.html - Michigan . I would like to stay flu free, so I guess I'll stay holed up here for the summer. Wink
 
A friend who works for the OMS and was one of the guys in charge of the Cholera epidemy in Perú told me:
 
  1. Unless a vaccine is found, will hit our countries sooner or later
  2. 5% of the infected will die, some people will be attacked with a more furious form of the virus or have pre-existent conditions that will make them more vulnerable, when the number of cases is big enough, that percentage will be reached
  3. Masks are nearly useless, only partially effective if used by the patient and person in charge, but the virus is small enough to pass through the cloth and filters.
  4. The mask should be used by patients mainly to avoid massive epread of the saliva expelled during a sneeze or a cough, some will pass anyway, but will be less.
  5. Closing frontiers is less than useful, people will use other connectiions to reach their destiny, and would be harder to follow the cases.
  6. People shouldn't use the anti-viral unless sick and precribed by a doctor.
  7. The use of the anti-viral by healthy persons, will make the virus inmune to the anti virals.

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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: May 06 2009 at 18:37
sounds like a typical flu, in fact I've had flu with worse symptoms than what's being described.. in fact it might not be a bad idea to take the precautions they're recommending during any serious flu outbreak




Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 17:51
Anyway, please not get to be panicked. Wink

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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 21:23

well seems that everything came back to how it used to be, restaurants, schools and theatres are re-open, now nobody wears that "mouth-covering" thing



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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 22:00
Mexico health authorities actted in an excellent way, normal influenza kills a bigger percentage, and people responded in an excellent way to the orders.
 
Excellent performance, seems third world countries respond better in this cases, Perú also had a record in the cholera epidemy, 10,000 cases, 10 deaths, the average was 30% of casualties we were 1 per 1000.
 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: May 07 2009 at 23:23
Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

Originally posted by p0mt3 p0mt3 wrote:

Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I'm truly sorry for anyone who has been affected by this outbreak, but the panic is disproportionate to the danger. 95% of people who will get this only have to fear nausea and vomiting. Health care is just teensy weensy bit better than 1917, so the mass hysterria and 24/7 media coverage needs to stop.

But you know as well as I that the governments and media stations of this world want to constantly keep us all under control via fear tactics and sensationalization of outbreaks like this. It's either viruses, natural disastors or temperature records being set. They talk about all this stuff happening ofor the very first time as if it's something that shouldn't be happening, and therefore we should be in hystarics over it.

Well it is rather fortuitous for Obama and co that this outbreak should happen right before they begin to talk about socialized healthcare. Woo, now there's a thread topic for ya Wink

Indeed. LOL Clap



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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: May 08 2009 at 17:48
At last this morning news showed us it was confirmed that the first three men be infected with H1N1 flu in Japan. Unhappy
I'm afraid we might be seized by panic. I hope we should keep calm as in Mexico.

Anyway, it was reported that in addition to the common influenza signs of fever, cough, and sore throat, one fourth of H1N1 cases in US present with diarrhea and another one fourth present with vomiting. Exclamation

Please take care all, and not get to be panicked. Wink


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