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Pekka
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 01:43 |
^Thank you I was going to do it myself when the real life issues would've let me, with a messy post full of quotes, so better this way.
Blacksword wrote:
Does anyone else think that Camel would have a little
more 'energy' and 'punch' if they had had a different drummer??
Wishing no disrespect to Andy Ward, he was capable enough, but he
wasn't really up there with the likes of Palmer, Collins, Bruford et
al..
IMO.. |
Yeah, it's true. But extra energy and punch are not
features that I miss when listening to Camel. I love Ward's work mostly
because of the gentle touch he has and the super tight interplay with
Ferguson. Like I remember Bardens saying, possibly on the Curriculum
Vitae dvd, that when he first came to the audition he was stunned by
their cooperation, how every bass note and bass drum hit was made to
work together. One of my favourite rhythm sections.
When they really tried to have energy and punch they went sooo wrong, check out Neon Magic Sometimes it's an amusing song, though. Not recommended for those disliking Latimer's voice.
Edited by Keppa4v - March 10 2009 at 02:13
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Thandrus
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 03:10 |
Voted for Camel, though I love them both. Interesting discussions, but will something become clearer? These two bands showcase different aspects of prog each adding their share to prog aesthetics. Prog would miss something without ELP's bombast or Camel's sense of beauty. So then it all comes to ones personal tastes... So what are we arguing about? I agree, it's fun though Hm... from reading these discussions one wouldn't really guess the score that is now!
Edited by Thandrus - March 10 2009 at 03:16
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cesar polo
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 04:18 |
My vote goes for Camel (my favourite band), although ELP are also among my top-ranked bands
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XunknownX
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 12:24 |
CAMEL!!!
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LeStaf
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Posted: March 10 2009 at 16:06 |
You can hardly compare so different styles of music.
You can compare ELP to Triumvirat or Camel to Jethro tull or Caravan. Their respective styles remain in the same neighborhood.
This poll is like to compare Weather Report to François Couperin. Useless.
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XunknownX
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 03:01 |
LeStaf wrote:
You can hardly compare so different styles of music.
You can compare ELP to Triumvirat or Camel to Jethro tull or Caravan. Their respective styles remain in the same neighborhood.
This poll is like to compare Weather Report to François Couperin. Useless. |
Don't agree, you can compare everything, IMO.
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TGM: Orb
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 03:17 |
Blacksword wrote:
Does anyone else think that Camel would have a little more 'energy' and 'punch' if they had had a different drummer??
Wishing no disrespect to Andy Ward, he was capable enough, but he wasn't really up there with the likes of Palmer, Collins, Bruford et al..
IMO.. |
Personally, I think Andy Ward is Camel's big redeeming feature... relaxed, effective and good at keeping the mood. Sure, he's not at the level of Palmer and Bruford as a hard drummer, or as emotionally effective as Collins, but he's not at all bad.
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zeta
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Posted: March 11 2009 at 15:34 |
CAMEL
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bimmerz_vn
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 05:41 |
Besides how do you come to the conclusion that Camel's music comes from the heart and ELP's not?...I know that it's all about your personal tastes but in my opinion with the exeption of some songs and "The Snow Goose" Camel is the cold one here. I don't want to sleep with symphonic prog , I have my copy of Tangerine Dream "Zeit" for that matter! ( Incredible album by the way)
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proghairfunk
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 07:11 |
ELP
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Raff
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 10:05 |
Just posted my review of Moonmadness - and without any references to ELP this time !
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Pekka
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 13:58 |
^Despite missing my prefered rating by two stars it's a very good review indeed But did you forget something about the order in which Camel released their celebrated three?
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micky
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 14:21 |
hahahhah... you might be able to hear the sound of Raff hitting herself in the head there in Finland hahhaha.
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Raff
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 14:22 |
Oh, my gosh, I just corrected that... I don't know why I keep on believing that The Snow Goose comes after Moonmadness. It must have something to do with keeping the two M's close together .
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Pekka
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 14:25 |
Ah that was the weird banging sound I was wondering about
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tszirmay
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 15:41 |
Camel turns into a reindeer as the shock (aka weird banging) nears Helsinki!
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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jimmy_row
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 18:17 |
oh boy, I missed seven pages of fun. Well here's my contribution: Camel's high points were better than ELP, but ELP delivered more good stuff. Moonmadness is a gorgeous album.
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Signature Writers Guild on strike
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jimmy_row
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 18:22 |
I think I'm going to look for the cliff-notes version of this thread on amazon.com ... ...
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Signature Writers Guild on strike
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micky
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 18:25 |
jimmy_row wrote:
oh boy, I missed seven pages of fun. Well here's my contribution: Camel's high points were better than ELP, but ELP delivered more good stuff. Moonmadness is a gorgeous album. |
*spits ...sh*t.. my water... all over the monitor hahaha*
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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micky
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Posted: March 12 2009 at 18:26 |
jimmy_row wrote:
I think I'm going to look for the cliff-notes version of this thread on amazon.com ... ... |
or just wait for Micky's autobiography with a chapter devoted to how and why ELP is pissed on ...
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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