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    Posted: December 02 2008 at 21:01
Hi, friends.
 
Despite the resume on Prog Archives, I would like to know your opinion about this wonderful Prog Band.
 
When and your feelings when you heard them at the first time. Your favorite albuns and music. Favorites members. Worst albums etc.
 
I think that there will be a lot of good and inteligent answers here.
 
Thanks. Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 21:17
Okay, so you started 4 threads in Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation with the title "About (insert classic prog band that has been discussed to death here)" and then one in Prog Music Lounge.
It's hard to tell if you are genuine, or just trying to fill spaces in the forum with clogging them on topics that do not need to be started, since there are probably literally 100s of threads on the topic already.
Don't want to come across as a jerk, just want to know your intentions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 21:39
I think it is a polite, reasonable post, where is there a rule which says a subject cannot be discussed to death?? I think it is clear the poster just wants to discuss the band yes, why not??
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 22:01
Maybe he should use the search function, cause I garruntee he will find the answers to all of his questions. I dont think there has been anything left unsaid about Yes.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 22:42
Ok.
 
If I made a mistake, you can close the topic, because anyway I am sttepin out of a Forum where I cannot feeling fine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 22:48
You should stand your ground, you will meet friends here, the posters to your thread have no authority, the one poster replied to your brazilian band post which had 27 replies, he said he knew of one brazilian band and never named it, you will find controversy on the forum, you will find egos, you will find intelligent discussion, if you stay you will be fine
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 22:51
this is what is sad about progarchives,  I will shut up now, silence is golden
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 22:54

This is a summary of most Yes discussions on this forum

Yesfan1: I love Yes! All of their music is amazing, right up to 90125!

Yesfan2: But I like 90210! It's not a bad pop album!

Yesfan3: STFU n00b! It's 90125 and it sux. That and TFTO

Yesfan4: TFTO rulez n00b! It's their best album ever.

ELPfan1: Love Beach >>>>>>>> TFTO. The songs were too long! (mumbles something about Jon Anderson's vocals in "Ritual")
 
ELPfan2: Yeah and it was overblown and pompous and self indulgent!
 
Yesfan5: You suck n00b you listen to ELP. Stupid Tarkus...
 
Yesfan6: I don't know what you all are talking about cause Relayer is way better than either of them! And Drama is a really good album too and for some reason nobody listens to it!
 
Yesfan7: Hey I listened to "The Ladder" and it's amazing!
 
Yesfan8: You know nothing, "The ladder" sucks too, along with "Talk" and "Union"!
 
EVERYBODY: "Open Your Eyes" is the worst prog album ever!
 
 
 
This is my experience in Yes discussions.
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 22:54
Just as a note, I tried a search on Yes, and in the last 6 months alone in Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation, there is like, 10 topics.
I think it needs about half a calorie of energy to scroll to the top of the screen and click search function.

On the first page of Prog Bands, Artists and Genres alone there is the new Steven Wilson album, there is the PostRock/Math rock/Post Metal thread, the Tech/Extreme.
One of which (the Wilson thread) is one about a new album that has barely been discussed yet, and the other 2 are threads that are always about finding the latest bands and discussing them, or bands that at the very least, are only a few years old and haven't been discussed to absolute death like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd etc have.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 02 2008 at 23:02
forget yes, you made a new person feel bad, to me this is a NO, now you might want to argue about it, I am 60 years old, I don`t care to argue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:02
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Just as a note, I tried a search on Yes, and in the last 6 months alone in Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation, there is like, 10 topics.
I think it needs about half a calorie of energy to scroll to the top of the screen and click search function.

On the first page of Prog Bands, Artists and Genres alone there is the new Steven Wilson album, there is the PostRock/Math rock/Post Metal thread, the Tech/Extreme.
One of which (the Wilson thread) is one about a new album that has barely been discussed yet, and the other 2 are threads that are always about finding the latest bands and discussing them, or bands that at the very least, are only a few years old and haven't been discussed to absolute death like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd etc have.
If you're a collab, then you should never refer like that to anybody. This kind of behavior of some people in there just polarizes the site making it unreachable for new people. If you feel uncomfortable with an opened topic, just stay away from it, there's always someone in there that wants to discuss about the classic bands, which is perfectly fair.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:15
Thanks, guys. Clap
 
You are really good friends. I will stay in the Forum by the way.
 
And... let's go talking about Yes and Prog sound???Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:40
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

You should stand your ground, you will meet friends here, the posters to your thread have no authority, the one poster replied to your brazilian band post which had 27 replies, he said he knew of one brazilian band and never named it, you will find controversy on the forum, you will find egos, you will find intelligent discussion, if you stay you will be fine


If you're implying I "have an ego", please, I don't need that right now.
I'm a very introverted person in real life that very much keeps to himself, and I get incredibly anxious when I'm thrust in the limelight among a group of people.
It's pretty hard to be a narcissist when you're like that. I tend to be quite the opposite, quite hard on myself.
And honestly, I can imagine there are many people here on PA that are very introverted and not particularly out going and don't have particularly good self esteem like myself too.
I'm not one to impose myself on people for no reason, I was more than justified in asking the original poster to go the extremely small trouble of using the search function.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:57
Originally posted by AlexUC AlexUC wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Just as a note, I tried a search on Yes, and in the last 6 months alone in Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation, there is like, 10 topics.
I think it needs about half a calorie of energy to scroll to the top of the screen and click search function.

On the first page of Prog Bands, Artists and Genres alone there is the new Steven Wilson album, there is the PostRock/Math rock/Post Metal thread, the Tech/Extreme.
One of which (the Wilson thread) is one about a new album that has barely been discussed yet, and the other 2 are threads that are always about finding the latest bands and discussing them, or bands that at the very least, are only a few years old and haven't been discussed to absolute death like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd etc have.
If you're a collab, then you should never refer like that to anybody. This kind of behavior of some people in there just polarizes the site making it unreachable for new people. If you feel uncomfortable with an opened topic, just stay away from it, there's always someone in there that wants to discuss about the classic bands, which is perfectly fair.


Yes, I understand your point, but don't fool yourself.
A topic like this isn't going to really be anything substantial.
There was a thread a while ago, where there was an argument about symphonic sound vs symphonic structure.
One posted talked about Yes not having a great deal to do with Baroque music and it's lack of contrapuntal devices, talking about the harmonic structure.
That was a really cool debate going on there, a really cool topic that actually......well, was substantial and brought something new to progarchives I believe.
I admit, despite being a musician myself, I never really pondered whether Yes was far more influenced by the Romantic period than the Baroque. I learnt something there, even if it was something that I may have been able to learn myself eventually had I thrown on Yes and thought "hmmmm, there is a lack of counterpoint here".

But instead, we have to resort to these shallow, rehashed discussions of "Favorite album, favorite band member, favorite era etc".
That's all cool if the band if say, it's a very recent band that we haven't had much opportunity to discuss.
But in some form or another, whether inside this forum, or elsewhere, Yes, Genesis or whatever, the "favorite album, favorite band member" etc thing has been done to absolute death.

We can still discuss these bands, but how about looking at things like a  more in depth, musical analysis/dissecting the music piece by piece so we get a clearer idea of the music (like some of the interesting posts in the Symphonic Sound Vs Symphonic Structure for example) just as an example perhaps.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 00:58
Ok Mr. Hughes.
 
Let it go, man. Let's going talk about music. And if you don't want to answer this topic, no problem. But I think you have something cool to say about this bands.
 
Peace, love and good music, ok.Hug
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 06:12
Well, I think as follows...
 
Yes is the band that has been constructed by every indivisualized, selfish, stubborn, and eccentric member (although lots of prog groups may have a similar character).
And, the FRAGILE Yes, that was CLOSE TO THE EDGE, was beyond words, I'm sure.
 
It's a natural course for excellent prog groups, isn't it? Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 08:02
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by AlexUC AlexUC wrote:

Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Just as a note, I tried a search on Yes, and in the last 6 months alone in Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation, there is like, 10 topics.
I think it needs about half a calorie of energy to scroll to the top of the screen and click search function.

On the first page of Prog Bands, Artists and Genres alone there is the new Steven Wilson album, there is the PostRock/Math rock/Post Metal thread, the Tech/Extreme.
One of which (the Wilson thread) is one about a new album that has barely been discussed yet, and the other 2 are threads that are always about finding the latest bands and discussing them, or bands that at the very least, are only a few years old and haven't been discussed to absolute death like Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd etc have.
If you're a collab, then you should never refer like that to anybody. This kind of behavior of some people in there just polarizes the site making it unreachable for new people. If you feel uncomfortable with an opened topic, just stay away from it, there's always someone in there that wants to discuss about the classic bands, which is perfectly fair.


Yes, I understand your point, but don't fool yourself.
A topic like this isn't going to really be anything substantial.
There was a thread a while ago, where there was an argument about symphonic sound vs symphonic structure.
One posted talked about Yes not having a great deal to do with Baroque music and it's lack of contrapuntal devices, talking about the harmonic structure.
That was a really cool debate going on there, a really cool topic that actually......well, was substantial and brought something new to progarchives I believe.
I admit, despite being a musician myself, I never really pondered whether Yes was far more influenced by the Romantic period than the Baroque. I learnt something there, even if it was something that I may have been able to learn myself eventually had I thrown on Yes and thought "hmmmm, there is a lack of counterpoint here".

But instead, we have to resort to these shallow, rehashed discussions of "Favorite album, favorite band member, favorite era etc".
That's all cool if the band if say, it's a very recent band that we haven't had much opportunity to discuss.
But in some form or another, whether inside this forum, or elsewhere, Yes, Genesis or whatever, the "favorite album, favorite band member" etc thing has been done to absolute death.

We can still discuss these bands, but how about looking at things like a  more in depth, musical analysis/dissecting the music piece by piece so we get a clearer idea of the music (like some of the interesting posts in the Symphonic Sound Vs Symphonic Structure for example) just as an example perhaps.

Yes, I understand and share your thoughts partially, because I know some people wants to discuss about musical structure while others doesn't have an idea what it means. The only real thing is that this site has many people with different expectations, and luckily we can have millions of threads then I'm sure the servers are not going to explode if you keep your "undiscovered topics" threads while some people keep talking about "this is my fav band because it's nice"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 08:26
FIrst off, JaJa Macca welcome to PA.  I am glad to see your enthusiasm for participating in the forums here at PA.  It is good to see such enthusiasm from a new member.  However, as Hughes mentioned each of these big bands do have an appreciation thread within this section of the forum.  I definitely recommend that you check these threads out to read members thoughts on these bands, as well as post your thoughts on these bands within those threads.  The fact that you have already started all of these threads falls under "What's done is done", but I would definitely recommend that in the future you use the search function or just browse the threads to find previously created threads that fit the discussion that you would like to have.  I realize that I'm not adding anything different to what Hughes already said, but I just thought it would be good to restate what was said a bit. Wink
 
As has been mentioned, I think that you will find most of us forum members to be quite friendly, including Hughes.  One of the issues with a public forum such as this is that you do have old members who are posting here all of the time and have discussed everything to death, mixing with new members such as yourself who are enthusiastic to talk about these items and bands.  As there have already been some posts, I am sure that you will find some long-term forum members that are still happy to add their two cents, as well as other new members that are looking to discuss these bands within here for the first time. 
 
At any event, please stick around, feel free to add your comments to any ongoing discussions, and have  fun expanding your prog horizons. ClapSmile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 10:04

Sure, some topics may be 'old hat' to some, but there are (thankfully) also new visitors all the time, and although a topic may have been done before, it doesn't mean that it won't be met with renewed interest.

If there's no real interest, that topic will die soon anyway, and what's to stop anyone skipping threads they're not interested in? They don't knock other threads off the list, there's just more of them, and a good thing too!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 10:10
Yes! I do like Yes!  Stern Smile
 
 
 
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