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Roj 
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 Posted: November 20 2008 at 03:03 |
There's been some real nonsense spouted above. Pink Floyd overrated, what a load of old tosh. They are one of the most important prog bands of all, and one of my very favourites.
Much as I like Rush, my vote is for Floyd, easily.
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 20 2008 at 02:36 |
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^^^ Agree with every word, Peter.
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Peter
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Posted: November 20 2008 at 01:40 |
 birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Pink Floyd are an overrated band, there, I said it. Now before some of you go home crying to momma, let me explain. While I am starting to like the Floyd again (to an extent) after not listening to them for about 2 years, I just don't see where the talent comes from in the band members. Granted, Wright is to me the exception, and I find him one of the most fascinating and best keyboardists of all time, the rest of the band members pale in comparison to him. For example, one of the things that gets me riled up is whenever I see a list of the top 50 or top 100 guitarists in the history of rock, Gilmour always seems to make the top 5 or top 10. This blows my mind every time, and I'm guessing he gets so high on those lists simply because he's a name most people recognize. To me, he doesn't display any of the qualities of a virtuoso guitarist, his solos tend to be fairly simple, and overall he doesn't bring much to the stage. I could say many of the same things about Mason, and Waters is, well, an excellent vocalist, I'll give him that. However, I could probably play most if not all of Pink Floyd's bass lines. Now, I know most people will say, "Pink Floyd is an atmospheric band; they're not supposed to be really technical". Why? Who says that you can't have both atmosphere and technicality? I think both, in the right situations, work together very well. Well, after that rambling rant, I guess what I'm trying to say is that none of the members of Floyd save Wright are stellar, virtuoso musicians. Granted, I wouldn't call Geddy and Lifeson virtuosos (Peart I probably would), but they're technique improved over time. So overall, I'd have to vote for Rush, not because I'm a fanboy this time, but because the members are more talented with their instruments.
Let the stone-throwing commence. I'm ready!
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 As a non-musician (and thus, solidly in the music audience majority), I don't give a rat's ass about any of that "virtuoso" stuff. That's not how I respond to music. I connect to music mainly through my emotions, not the math or accounting (count the notes per-minute, Poindexter) side of my brain.
I for one have NEVER held Floyd up to be the "best" technicians or musicians, and I'm not aware of others doing that here, either. I do not "rate" them that way. I like the songs they write. To put it very simply, I greatly enjoy the sound Floyd's music makes. Ditto Rush -- both bands give me considerable, real, un-feigned, intelligent, thinking-adult-style pleasure.
It bugs me when I say to a guitar player "listen to this cool solo" and he responds immediately with a dismissive, condescending "that's not hard." Did I say it was hard? Do I even care? NO! It's cool, it speaks to me (and many others -- mission accomplished!) and though you might be able to play it, you didn't write it! 
Someone with some soul did! 
Who is "right?" I propose that we BOTH are -- you hear music your way, I hear it mine. But when you say "overrated," you judge MY taste and experiences of music, and not your own.
That's just arrogant.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: November 20 2008 at 00:59 |
Pink Floyd are an overrated band, there, I said it. Now before some of
you go home crying to momma, let me explain. While I am starting to
like the Floyd again (to an extent) after not listening to them for
about 2 years, I just don't see where the talent comes from in the band
members. Granted, Wright is to me the exception, and I find him one of
the most fascinating and best keyboardists of all time, the rest of the
band members pale in comparison to him. For example, one of the things
that gets me riled up is whenever I see a list of the top 50 or top 100
guitarists in the history of rock, Gilmour always seems to make the top
5 or top 10. This blows my mind every time, and I'm guessing he gets so
high on those lists simply because he's a name most people recognize.
To me, he doesn't display any of the qualities of a virtuoso guitarist,
his solos tend to be fairly simple, and overall he doesn't bring much
to the stage. I could say many of the same things about Mason, and
Waters is, well, an excellent vocalist, I'll give him that. However, I
could probably play most if not all of Pink Floyd's bass lines. Now, I
know most people will say, "Pink Floyd is an atmospheric band; they're
not supposed to be really technical". Why? Who says that you can't have
both atmosphere and technicality? I think both, in the right
situations, work together very well. Well, after that rambling rant, I
guess what I'm trying to say is that none of the members of Floyd save
Wright are stellar, virtuoso musicians. Granted, I wouldn't call Geddy and Lifeson virtuosos (Peart I probably would), but they're technique improved over time. So overall, I'd have to vote for Rush, not because I'm a fanboy this time, but because the members are more talented with their instruments. Let the stone-throwing commence. I'm ready!
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Peter
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 22:28 |
Sunny In Jeddah wrote:
Rush got my vote, proud Canadians. Also I think the Pink Floyd may just be a tad overrated. |
 Sigh -- there's that word again.
Would you please explain just what you mean by "overrated?" 
Are you implying that all the Pink Floyd fans are "wrong," while you are "right?"
That they are being less than genuine or sincere when they express a liking for the band?
That they don't really know what they like? That they don't like Floyd as much as they think they do, or perhaps that they should like them less?
Please explain what you mean by "overrated," or else why not refer to something you are in a position to judge: YOUR taste in music -- not the tastes of millions of individual Floyd fans whom you've never even met.
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For the record, once again, I like BOTH of these fine bands, and I find these types of "X vs Y" polls to be silly. They are threads posted by people who have little or nothing to say, and who can't be bothered to make the effort to say anything of real depth, substance or interest anyway. They reduce art to the mere level of sport, or a juvenile, shallow popularity contest.
Much as with friends and food, it's actually okay to like different bands and types of music, to roughly the same degree, for different reasons and different moods. That's called being a MUSIC fan, and being grown up. Variety is good! 
Wh ich do you like best, flowers or birds? Water or air? Your arm or your leg?
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"And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!'
He chortled in his joy.
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ProgBagel
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 22:02 |
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I like Rush, but Floyd runs them and almost any band out of the water.
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Sunny In Jeddah
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 21:59 |
Rush got my vote, proud Canadians. Also I think the Pink Floyd may just be a tad overrated.
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BroSpence
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 21:46 |
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Who'd have thought Pink Floyd would be Rush? I did! Then again I ain't Rushin.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:24 |
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I'll give it to Rush.
I still listen to Rush, but I don't really listen to PF anymore to be honest.
But yeah, as Mike said, people need to stop re-doing polls that have been done over a million times.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:20 |
I lol'd at it. Thank you 
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:20 |
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I see that. I posted a seal in the Zep v.s Rush poll. Just for you.
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:16 |
Well I'm in attack mode right now  
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:13 |
King By-Tor wrote:
As much as I love Rush I'm getting sick of these polls.
No vote.
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That was sort of my point.
I realize the irony in that I'm not helping the situation. No need to point that out.
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jammun
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:09 |
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Floyd for me.
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jamesfibs1
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 20:07 |
Seeing as how Rush have some memorable bits of music and some energy, i think i'll go with them.
(i do like Floyd, and have many of their albums, but even the most die-hard fan has to admit that they go through the motions a bit!!)
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:48 |
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As much as I love Rush I'm getting sick of these polls.
No vote.
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Hercules
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:57 |
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I simply can't choose. They're both excellent; not my absolute favourites, but close.
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easytargets
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:42 |
IŽll go with Rush since I love them (Peart  ), but think Pink Floyd will largely
win this poll as their earlier stuff is completely different from anything already done.
Well, at least, from that IŽve notice of.
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darksideof
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:35 |
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love Rush, but FLOYD IS FLOYD....................
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Wetheliving
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:35 |
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Rush is the greatest!
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