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Here's one that shows that the American Judicial system really is against the forces of evolution. 
 
I can't remember the names of the parties off the top of my head, but I will look them up later and edit my post.  A woman went to the store.  While doing her shopping there was a child running around the store and she tripped over the child and fell, breaking her ankle.  She sued the store and won an excessive $780,000.  I'm not really sure how a broken ankle is worth that much money.  But the real punchline?  The child she tripped over was her own.
 
Americans are just going to get dumber and dumber as the years pass if we keep protecting people who obviously should not be in the gene pool and rewarding people for their own stupidity.   
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and Raff wonders why the hell I wanted out of this country LOL

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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Here's one that shows that the American Judicial system really is against the forces of evolution. 
 
I can't remember the names of the parties off the top of my head, but I will look them up later and edit my post.  A woman went to the store.  While doing her shopping there was a child running around the store and she tripped over the child and fell, breaking her ankle.  She sued the store and won an excessive $780,000.  I'm not really sure how a broken ankle is worth that much money.  But the real punchline?  The child she tripped over was her own.
 
Americans are just going to get dumber and dumber as the years pass if we keep protecting people who obviously should not be in the gene pool and rewarding people for their own stupidity.   


I can't see how it should be that woman's fault. She tripped over her child and fell, breaking her ankle. After that she probably saw how much money that incident cost her ... she probably couldn't work for weeks and ahd to pay rehab. Of course in that case it's a clever thing to do to go to a lawyer and ask if there is any chance that someone else has to pay for that.

IMO The real problem is the system of justice, and the people who pass those sentences and decide about how much money is to be paid to the "victim". I never had much faith in the jury system anyway ... why should a couple of random people be more qualified to reach a verdict than a judge, who has spent the better part of his life dealing with laws and lawsuits?
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The real problem is the system of justice, and the people who pass those sentences and decide about how much money is to be paid to the "victim".

It's not as if the amount is determined arbitrarily, plucked from the sky, as it were, and in fact, the amount requires legal justification.  If there is any problem--and I'm not sure that there is--then it lies with the laws, which, of course, fall under the purview of legislators not jurors.

I never had much faith in the jury system anyway ... why should a couple of random people be more qualified to reach a verdict than a judge, who has spent the better part of his life dealing with laws and lawsuits?

Again, this is either a misunderstanding or misrepresentation of the US judiciary.  First, the judge is given discretion to overturn the jury's decision, thereby reducing the likelihood of unreasonable verdict.  Second, the defendant can waive his right to a trial by jury, and so allow a judge to decide his case.

I find it difficult to sympathize with such an elitist view--ultimately, that view is premised on a contempt for democracy, in particular, and more generally, human intellect.
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^ do you really think that nearly one million dollars is the right amount for a broken ankle? Of course we both don't know all the facts, but it surely seems unreasonable to me, judged by my human intellect.

I'm not an expert on the American system of jurisdiction ... I'm simply saying that from all I know, the German system makes more sense to me. It doesn't mean that it's better ... I'm sure that good and bad things happen in both systems. They're both implemented by human beings, they're both not perfect.

Long story short: The one thing that I do know is that in Germany that woman would never have gotten that much money. For a broken ankle, the best you can hope for is a 5 digit figure ...
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Here's one that shows that the American Judicial system really is against the forces of evolution. 
 
I can't remember the names of the parties off the top of my head, but I will look them up later and edit my post.  A woman went to the store.  While doing her shopping there was a child running around the store and she tripped over the child and fell, breaking her ankle.  She sued the store and won an excessive $780,000.  I'm not really sure how a broken ankle is worth that much money.  But the real punchline?  The child she tripped over was her own.
 
Americans are just going to get dumber and dumber as the years pass if we keep protecting people who obviously should not be in the gene pool and rewarding people for their own stupidity.   


I love the punchline of this. How any jury could award her a dime for being a bad parent and not controlling her own child is beyond me. It is stuff like this that makes it hard for people with a legitimate suit to reap any awards.
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Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


do you really think that nearly one million dollars is the right amount for a broken ankle? Of course we both don't know all the facts, but it surely seems unreasonable to me, judged by my human intellect.

Maybe.  I'm not sure that I have any reason to believe the story, especially since the original poster failed to provide citations of reliable sources--often enough, these things are exaggerated, if not fictional.  In any case, it seems even more unreasonable, by definition, to draw conclusions without having "all the facts."

I'm not an expert on the American system of jurisdiction ... I'm simply saying that from all I know, the German system makes more sense to me.

Of course, you do: you're German.  Most US citizens, ignorant of the German judiciary, likely would make a similar assessment mutatis mutandis.  But this doesn't mean either of your judgments have any substantive value.  Moreover, I doubt that it's mere coincidence that the person who doubts the intellectual capacities of others ostensibly regards his own such ability as proficient, at least insofar as he declares his opinions.

...The one thing that I do know is that in Germany that woman would never have gotten that much money. For a broken ankle, the best you can hope for is a 5 digit figure ...

Another not insignificant point:  Germans have state-provided health care whereas US citizens pay exorbitant rates, off the spectrum compared to other industrialized countries.  This is non-trivial.  Also:  unemployment benefits are not so good (in general) here either.
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2008 at 12:35
oh this is nice.. hahhahha...

http://www.agelesslove.com/boards/showthread.php?t=36602


I guess it isn't only the minorities now... we truly are becoming a police state now aren't we LOL
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh this is nice.. hahhahha...

http://www.agelesslove.com/boards/showthread.php?t=36602


I guess it isn't only the minorities now... we truly are becoming a police state now aren't we LOL


Disgraceful.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh this is nice.. hahhahha...

http://www.agelesslove.com/boards/showthread.php?t=36602

I guess it isn't only the minorities now... we truly are becoming a police state now aren't we LOL


Not necessarily.  Again, it's prudent to take tales from the internet cum grano salis.  Nevertheless, let's give the benefit of the doubt to that poster.  We have an isolated incident, one which could result in prosecution of the offending officer.  Admittedly, that might not be so easy to do, especially if there no (willing) witnesses.  Still, that sort of harrassment is not tolerated in a formal sense, whereas in a genuine police state such abuse of power would be institutionalized (in fact, it would be impossible to speak of it as "abuse" as it has been "legitimized" by the state).


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Originally posted by WinterLight WinterLight wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


do you really think that nearly one million dollars is the right amount for a broken ankle? Of course we both don't know all the facts, but it surely seems unreasonable to me, judged by my human intellect.

Maybe.  I'm not sure that I have any reason to believe the story, especially since the original poster failed to provide citations of reliable sources--often enough, these things are exaggerated, if not fictional.  In any case, it seems even more unreasonable, by definition, to draw conclusions without having "all the facts."

I'm not an expert on the American system of jurisdiction ... I'm simply saying that from all I know, the German system makes more sense to me.

Of course, you do: you're German.  Most US citizens, ignorant of the German judiciary, likely would make a similar assessment mutatis mutandis.  But this doesn't mean either of your judgments have any substantive value.  Moreover, I doubt that it's mere coincidence that the person who doubts the intellectual capacities of others ostensibly regards his own such ability as proficient, at least insofar as he declares his opinions.

...The one thing that I do know is that in Germany that woman would never have gotten that much money. For a broken ankle, the best you can hope for is a 5 digit figure ...

Another not insignificant point:  Germans have state-provided health care whereas US citizens pay exorbitant rates, off the spectrum compared to other industrialized countries.  This is non-trivial.  Also:  unemployment benefits are not so good (in general) here either.


Mike is merely offering an opinion whilst you mainly serve up ad homs....Stern%20Smile
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A judge once told me (Off record) that he works at  "IN-Justice Department".  I guess that says it all! Disapprove
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Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

Originally posted by WinterLight WinterLight wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:


do you really think that nearly one million dollars is the right amount for a broken ankle? Of course we both don't know all the facts, but it surely seems unreasonable to me, judged by my human intellect.

Maybe.  I'm not sure that I have any reason to believe the story, especially since the original poster failed to provide citations of reliable sources--often enough, these things are exaggerated, if not fictional.  In any case, it seems even more unreasonable, by definition, to draw conclusions without having "all the facts."

I'm not an expert on the American system of jurisdiction ... I'm simply saying that from all I know, the German system makes more sense to me.

Of course, you do: you're German.  Most US citizens, ignorant of the German judiciary, likely would make a similar assessment mutatis mutandis.  But this doesn't mean either of your judgments have any substantive value.  Moreover, I doubt that it's mere coincidence that the person who doubts the intellectual capacities of others ostensibly regards his own such ability as proficient, at least insofar as he declares his opinions.

...The one thing that I do know is that in Germany that woman would never have gotten that much money. For a broken ankle, the best you can hope for is a 5 digit figure ...

Another not insignificant point:  Germans have state-provided health care whereas US citizens pay exorbitant rates, off the spectrum compared to other industrialized countries.  This is non-trivial.  Also:  unemployment benefits are not so good (in general) here either.


Mike is merely offering an opinion whilst you mainly serve up ad homs....Stern%20Smile




Criticizing an opinion is not tantamount to constructing an ad hominem response.  Indeed, in no manner did I attack his character. 

With that said, it's possible that you misconstrued my comment on his being German.  Most of us tend to favor what's familiar to us on the basis of that familiarity only.  I clarified this by admitting that most US citizens would think similarly about their judiciary, despite not necessarily having any substantive knowledge to support that opinion.

Also:  I don't apologize for highlighting elitist views anymore than I'd kowtow to racist opinions.  And contempt for democracy, which is the premise for contempt of the jury system, is by definition an elitist view.
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hahahhahah
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Points: 46838 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 16 2008 at 15:28
yeah.. you can't think up better stuff than that.. then again.. the pig's have had lots of practice...


cop: alright take your things and go, i don't want to see you back here again
me: but i live down the street from here....
cop: you have been warned, come back here again and see what happens
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^ What's the problem?  Seems like a resonable request!  How do you know his neighbors don't like him and called the cops on him? Wink
 
 

Anyone in an authoritarian role can be an idiot.  Thank God most of them aren't. I had my run in couple years ago with a California Highway Patrol idiot. he pulls me over one night when I was driving home and then stands at my back window behind the driver door for like a minute. His partner does the same on the other side. I finally have to say hello before he approaches my window.

  He says:

 "Do you know you have a back tail light out?" 

 I said

"I do now"

"Have you been drinking tonight?"

 (So how did this go from a taillight to me being under the influence?)

"I had three beers about 4.5 hours ago."

(Which was true)
 
"Please get out of the car."

He then runs me through a sobritey test which I pass.  He then pulls out his field breathalyser and tells me to blow into it.  So I do.

He then gets the reading and says "sh*t"

He was actually pissed I was sober.

He then rudely tells me to get out of there and you better have that light fixed the next time I see you. 

 

Now I have to say that is the worst I have ever been treated encountering a police officer in any form.  Most have been polite and low key and most try to be helpful.




Edited by Garion81 - August 16 2008 at 16:29


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^ yeah.....  that sucks Brian....  nothing like being pulling for speeding in Italy ( had no idea they had speed limits in Italy.. had been there for less than an hour but think it was twice the posted) and having a submachine gun stuck in your face LOL.  Once they found out I was American though.. they let me go... nice. Cool


yeah......  love cops... most are good...  had a Oklahoma State Trooper nail me for speeding ...  and actually let me go.. and had me follow him to a truckstop where we had a cup of coffee.  Nothing like midwestern hospitality hahahhah.
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Garion story reminds me of:
http://www.livevideo.com/video/WilsonRydeR69/66ABDD90F3304E93A7A217275696402E/brain-dead-cop-stops-wr69.aspx
Now that guy was an a**hole.

I have only been pulled over once for expired tags. Cop was cool, although I did get a measly $10 ticket.
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^ I made the mistake of taking my plates from one car.. putting them on another... out of shear laziness.. .selling the old car.. .then letting the tags expire... when I was pulled over...  the trooper didn't buy my excuse of I had planned on doing that tomorrow...  no ticket for Micky... had to go to court for that... funny thing is... the officer never showed... case got thrown out.

how many lives is that I am up to now...
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

^ I made the mistake of taking my plates from one car.. putting them on another... out of shear laziness.. .selling the old car.. .then letting the tags expire... when I was pulled over...  the trooper didn't buy my excuse of I had planned on doing that tomorrow...  no ticket for Micky... had to go to court for that... funny thing is... the officer never showed... case got thrown out.

how many lives is that I am up to now...
 
The prog gods were looking down upon you that day. I have done that as well but the system for the DMV is usually 24-48hrs behind so the po-po's in Missouri usually will let you off with a warning and a statement that you best not be pulled over again.
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