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Poll Question: Do you think Miles Davis post-67 should be added to the PA?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2008 at 04:54
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:



The only problem I have with this inclusion is that he recorded so many albums which aren't Fusion.


I find that a little annoying too,  but that's just how it is.

If I wanted to, I could play about 20 hours of electric Miles fusion-era without hearing the same track twice, and I don't have everything. That's more music than most bands here recorded in their whole career.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2008 at 08:15
The whole diccography policy (which I don't neccessariy support) does save us from even more bickering. Could you imagine all the arguing that would happen if we went through Genesis' later output and tried to decide which albums belonged and which didn't.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 10 2008 at 08:25
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

The whole diccography policy (which I don't neccessariy support) does save us from even more bickering. Could you imagine all the arguing that would happen if we went through Genesis' later output and tried to decide which albums belonged and which didn't.


exactly.. which is why I suspect M@X wanted that avoided and just said.  whole discographies...  so we are free to add all albums..  regardless of considering progressive nature since there is enough bickering about the artist alone without splintering it into individual albums hahaha.  The reviews are where such things are judged.. and explained to people.  Anyone who picks up Invisible Touch expecting SEbtP is an idiot for not looking at the reviews first hahaha.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2008 at 22:24
should i start a Herbie Hancock thread? being he was mentioned a few times here and on the other thread. He has the same problem Miles has with the discography thing, except HH made rock albums early in his career (68 or 69 with Fat Albert Rotunda) and a lot of his early jazz 'hits' were given a 'rock makeover' like Watermelon Man, Maiden Voyage, Catelope Island, etc...

not to mention he's the only Miles alumni from the 60s and 70s who made progressive rock/jazz-fusion to not be here on this site. Shorter, Zawinul, McLaughlin, Williams, Corea, etc are all here, not to mention his other peers like Pat Metheny, Jaco (WR), Al Di Meola, and made waaaaayyy more progressive music than these guys did.

After Miles and Larry Coryell, Herbie Hancock was the most influential and active in the jazz-fusion movement.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 13 2008 at 22:32
Yeah, he's been suggested a couple of times in dedicated suggestion threads and many times in other threads.  I agree that Hancock should be here.  Some old threads for reference (all the old threads, unresponded to since before February, are locked -- part of speeding up the forums) but for reference:

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2008 at 05:05
so since they're locked, i could just start a new thread? and perhaps quote from the older threads?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2008 at 06:18
I would say yes.... but I looked why they were locked (didn't figure the kiddies got in and sh*t all over the floor ahahaha).

they were closed because HH has been eval'd I guess.. and rejected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2008 at 10:13
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

should i start a Herbie Hancock thread?


Will you start it soon? I look forward to it.

Been searching for every Mwandishi-related fusion album I could find the last two years, and there's quite a few excellent ones.

I found strong debuts by most his band members:

Eddie Henderson (two albums actually, Realization & Inside Out with virtually the same lineup as the original Mwandishi sextet),

Bennie Maupin (The Jewel in the Lotus),

Julian Priester (Love, Love)

Buster Williams (Pinnacle)

These are are all a direct continuation of Herbie's Mwandishi project.  And excellent contributions too. Looking for a couple of Charles Earland albums (Leaving This Planet & The Dynamite Brothers) featuring techno wiz Dr. Patrick Gleeson.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2008 at 10:50
I think there is at least one more Julian Preister album in that style, I can't remember the name.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2008 at 14:03
Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I think there is at least one more Julian Preister album in that style, I can't remember the name.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2008 at 15:14
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

should i start a Herbie Hancock thread?


Will you start it soon? I look forward to it.

Been searching for every Mwandishi-related fusion album I could find the last two years, and there's quite a few excellent ones. Well there's only 3 - Crossings, Mwandisi, and Sextant. After that if was the Headhunters band, and they released 4 albums and 1 live album with Hancock. After that it was just Herbie Hancock solo. And he released fusion albums until about 1980. Not to mention he was involved with jazz-rock way before the Mwandishi band existed.

I found strong debuts by most his band members:

Eddie Henderson (two albums actually, Realization & Inside Out with virtually the same lineup as the original Mwandishi sextet),

Bennie Maupin (The Jewel in the Lotus),

Julian Priester (Love, Love)

Buster Williams (Pinnacle)

These are are all a direct continuation of Herbie's Mwandishi project.  And excellent contributions too. Looking for a couple of Charles Earland albums (Leaving This Planet & The Dynamite Brothers) featuring techno wiz Dr. Patrick Gleeson. that guys is serious!


With albums like this, why wouldnt HH be on this site?

Fat Albert Rotunda - 1969
Mwandishi - 1970
Crossings - 1972
Sextant - 1973
Headhunters - 1973
Thrust - 1974
Man-Child - 1975
Flood - 1975
Secrets - 1976
Sunlight (with Tony Williams and Jaco Pastorius) - 1978
Monster - 1980
Mr. Hands - 1980
Magic Windows - 1981
Dis Is Da Drum - 1994
Mr. Funk - 2001



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2008 at 15:50
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:


Been searching for every Mwandishi-related fusion album I could find the last two years, and there's quite a few excellent ones. Well there's only 3 - Crossings, Mwandisi, and Sextant. After that if was the Headhunters band, and they released 4 albums and 1 live album with Hancock. After that it was just Herbie Hancock solo. And he released fusion albums until about 1980. Not to mention he was involved with jazz-rock way before the Mwandishi band existed.




I know, I know... there's only three real Mwandishi-sextet albums (I got four-five live-bootlegs). But some of his bandmembers made some brilliant substitutes for fans like myself,  who's crazy about this period. And I'm not that much of a fan of his Headhunters/funk albums. I know its top quality stuff, but its just not my bag.

Hancock is in the lineup on the Eddie Henderson albums himself, and especially Realization sounds like a natural continuation. I think of that one, Love, Love, The Jewel in the Lotus and to some extent Inside Out as Mwandishi-albums (although I guess they're not, technically speaking).

Just ordered Polarization.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 14 2008 at 17:37
and Miles Davis is added.... great job guys that's a victory for the good guys over the evil pesilance that is using 'tags and labeling' (have I mentioned today just how much I hate that LOL)  to determine additions, it is the prog music that counts,  not a name.. not even a career.........  great bio Martin Clap

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2008 at 00:35
Guys... as I already suggested in the past ... we want  complete discography of each artist in PA .

Also .. can some suggest a couple of mp3s for Miles ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2008 at 00:47
wooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i can suggest many mp3s if you want. i just have to remember how to submit them. length doesnt matter right? cause he's got a lot of longies....

this is a great moment. I feel happy than I and many others fought hard for Miles' inclusion. this has been a long time coming Clap



Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:


Been searching for every Mwandishi-related fusion album I could find the last two years, and there's quite a few excellent ones. Well there's only 3 - Crossings, Mwandisi, and Sextant. After that if was the Headhunters band, and they released 4 albums and 1 live album with Hancock. After that it was just Herbie Hancock solo. And he released fusion albums until about 1980. Not to mention he was involved with jazz-rock way before the Mwandishi band existed.




I know, I know... there's only three real Mwandishi-sextet albums (I got four-five live-bootlegs). But some of his bandmembers made some brilliant substitutes for fans like myself,  who's crazy about this period. And I'm not that much of a fan of his Headhunters/funk albums. I know its top quality stuff, but its just not my bag.

Hancock is in the lineup on the Eddie Henderson albums himself, and especially Realization sounds like a natural continuation. I think of that one, Love, Love, The Jewel in the Lotus and to some extent Inside Out as Mwandishi-albums (although I guess they're not, technically speaking).

Just ordered Polarization.

 


i have Bennie Maupin's The Jewel in the Lotus. It's phenomenal, has a lot of Mwandishi sounds, and is quite haunting actually
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2008 at 00:51
wow there's a lot of missing albums. I shall get to work.

Very good bio, the only thing i disagree with is that Miles' electric period really began in 67 and has been discussed to death. Also, his jazz-rock years continued into the 90s before he began making more acid jazz/hip hop albums

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2008 at 01:30
Originally posted by M@X M@X wrote:

Guys... as I already suggested in the past ... we want  complete discography of each artist in PA .Also .. can some suggest a couple of mp3s for Miles ?



Hi Max, You will get a complete discography of Miles eventually, it's just going to take some time. I will keep adding as will many others.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 15 2008 at 02:42
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:



The only problem I have with this inclusion is that he recorded so many albums which aren't Fusion.
 
That's exactly the same argument as the one that runs; Metallica recorded many albums that aren't Prog Metal... Wink
 
I don't agree with Miles' inclusion, but I guess it's too late.
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