tired of Tech/Extreme Prog choking up the site ?

stonebeard wrote: List of things I'm tired of related to Prog Archives (in order): 1. Obnoxious Magma fans 2. Progressive vs. Regressive arguments 3. "Oh this obscure band is my favorite!"   *two weeks later*    "Oh this other obscure band is now my favorite!" people 4. Site n00bs who have their own, stupid, narrow definition of prog 5. People who think anything after ___ date isn't prog 6. People who think Marillion sounds like Genesis 7. Interesting threads dying away while stupid old arguments live on I'm in a pissy mood, so if you're upset, whipe off the sh*t I just threw on you and walk away. And notice, I'm not tired of a genre that belongs on this site. Unless it's Zeuhl. Then I'm really f**king tired of it.

That sounds like either a contradiction or an oxymoron to me. It's sad that I'm not sure which one it is.

schizoid_man77 wrote: You question me for bashing the clueless Yes heads who come into the site, when you and your STC posse were once super trolls who used scream SEARCH FUNCTION! SEARCH FUNCION! SEARCH FUNCTION!, until your private message inbox got too filled up with angry messages from admins saying to stop. You have no right to question me.

^ Talking about accusing others of being single minded ... how can you know whether your average "progmetalhead" doesn't also listen to some of these other genres you listed? For example, I love free jazz ...

And please - if you want anyone to take you seriously then stop the childish insults.

^ Ah ... so you don't like those genres either. Well, if the list of genres you like is much smaller than that of those you don't like ... case in point, you *are* close-minded.

Chameleon wrote: schizoid_man77 wrote: You question me for bashing the clueless Yes heads who come into the site, when you and your STC posse were once super trolls who used scream SEARCH FUNCTION! SEARCH FUNCION! SEARCH FUNCTION!, until your private message inbox got too filled up with angry messages from admins saying to stop. You have no right to question me.     I, for one, am most puzzled by this paragraph. Since when does being a part of STC mean that one has become some sort of üntermensch? How does one lose an unrelated argument on the sole basis that he's from STC?

It's known as the argumentum ad hominem, and it's basically what you use when you don't have any logic or evidence to back you up. 

Let's start another thread:

Rocktopus wrote: schizoid_man77 and his friends seem to have decided that if don't take progmetal seriously you're closeminded and stuck in the 70's. I find that laughable, because I'm certain that the average progmetal fan is a lot more stuck-up in their preferred genres than "my kind".

Aw, c'mon man. Nobody ever said that. If you don't like prog metal, it's fine with us. We understand that you simply don't like prog metal the way you like classic progressive rock.   Live and let live. Tech/Extreme Prog Metal is progressive, it is innovative, it does not in any way choke the site and it belongs here. If you still don't believe it, we won't convince you.

So, how certain are you? I'm a prog metal fan and I also love stuffs from the seventies as well.

Looks like this topic as gone as far as it can go.

In my opinion, the use of "prog" or "progressive" to determine a genre of music has become a farse. There is such different kinds of music under the same umbrella that prog does not represent any kind of music anymore.

Of course no genre definition is supposed to define exactly the tastes of people. There will always be fans of a specific genre that dislikes some of the bands classified as being of that genre. But I don't think of any genre that has such diverse music like "prog". It is very hard to a single person, for example, enjoy Barclay James Harvest, Opeth, Ougenweide, Oriental Sunshine, Tangerine Dream, Jean Luc Ponty, Henry Cow, Mr. Bungle and John Zorn. It is highly expected that a person will not enjoy all of these bands by logic.

And before people start praising themselves or accusing the others, those who do enjoy everything are not gifted, they just have an uncommon taste. And talking about musical tastes, everything is acceptable, including not liking music at all. Using the lack of diverse/mature musical taste as an argument is a clear case of trying to disqualify the other person and not his opinion. The discussion goes nowhere.

Let's try to rearrange the discussion in rational terms. The question, to reach everybody, should be "Tired of music you don't like getting much more attention than music you like?". We could even start a thread like that, just to eliminate the negative "karma" this thread carries. And then, we could debate over the most important subject that is whether the use of prog as categorization of music unite people with common interests or not. The conclusion may lead to the conclusion that not only the site, but people's own definition of prog already encloses many potentially incompatible genres. And maybe people understand what, not only PA, but most of "prog" music sites are doing compared to their own tastes and eventually choose those who fits better to their own needs.

Personally, I've found that the only music on this site that I don't enjoy are the bands with vocal styles that I dislike. Namely the growling/shrieking/screaming types. The funny thing is that I often enjoy these same band's instrumental tracks. It's usually vocals that turn me off a band.  I like Aghora for being a tech-metal band that doesn't have vocals that set my teeth on edge. And this is from a guy whose favorite vocalists include Peter Hammill and Captain Beefheart.