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Darklord55 
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 Posted: June 21 2008 at 09:28 |
Not tired of it at all. I try to keep opened minded about my musical tastes especially with prog. Although I have boundaries. Rap, Country, Hip-Hop, and most mainstream pop music. I like and grew up with the 70's prog and still listen to it. I also enjoy bands from most of the sub-genres listed on this site. Including tech/extreme. I am glad the bands are on this site, because if they weren't I probably wouldn't have heard about them.
What I grow tired of is seeing review after review of Close to the Edge, Genesis albums, Jethro Tull, etc. etc. I'm not saying I don't like these bands. But, what more can be said about these albums that haven't already been said. I would like to see more reviews and opinions of some of the newer bands in the prog world. I would try but I'm not a very good reviewer. 
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Raff
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 09:29 |
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^ Have you listened to In Absentia? If not, consider this an honest recommendation!
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Yes, I have, and I actually own the CD... I don't dislike PT by any means, even if it wasn't very clear from my post. I just don't think they are God's gift to prog, as many others seem to maintain here. As far as 'Modern' prog is concerned, I lean more towards the TMV school of things  .
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 09:34 |
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^ actually I even think that they are "Anti-Prog" as far as style/genre is concerned. At least I think - having read many interviews and articles about him - that Steven Wilson doesn't like that label at all and is more concerned about making original music than to sound similar than those classic bands.
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Dean
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 09:40 |
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Yorkie X
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:11 |
The Crow wrote:
Yorkie X wrote:
OPeth this Opeth that its not progressive this, it is progressive that .... I'm getting a little tired of Tech / Extreme prog <span style="font-size: 9px;"></span> bands being featured on this site in such a constant way, day after day it seems like always the same thing ... how about you ? <<< Yorkie X weaves and ducks rotten tomatoes and heads out the back door before the angry mob nails him to their upside down crucifix and sets fire to him. 
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No... I'm not tired at all.
I love music. Not only prog... But speaking about prog, I'm into a lot of different prog styles, including Tech Metal. Sorry, but I don't think that Atheist or Opeth are less progressive than Marillion or Camel. They are totally different, but the attempt of creating challenging music, beyond the simple verse/chorus is there... If you are not agree, please read the Guides to Prog Rock again.
I will write reviews about Camel, Yes, King Crimson, Van Der Graaf Generator, Pink Floyd... I love this style of prog. But I also like Mastodon, Opeth, Atheist, Meshuggah, Orphaned Land, Tool, Thereon... And I will continue reviewing this bands with great pleasure.
The people who don't like this style of prog, please ignore it... But leave the more open-minded prog lovers give their opinion in peace, please.
And Yorkie... You don't like Tech Metal, you wish Tech Metal is not in ProgArchives... Why are you giving Opeth's "Watershed" a one star rating then? Just only for demonstrate your disagree? I think it's a very coward attitude... If you don't like it, please avoid it (like I do with bands I don't like and I don't listen to...) or write a review giving your opinion, like Certif1ed did.
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My one star rating is how I felt personally about that CD ... to me it was garbage and I wish I never waisted my money on it. I'm going to sell it cheap second hand (and I bet the guy in the store has 100 of them already) knowing that somebody into Opeth will probably come along buy it and love it ..... funny world it is. 
Edited by Yorkie X - June 21 2008 at 10:14
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:14 |
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^ why did you buy it in the first place? There were two full tracks available to listen to on their myspace page.
That's something I'll never understand. Guys, the ratings, reviews and samples aren't simply there for you to look at and discuss ... you might actually use them as a shopping guide.
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Yorkie X
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:19 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
^ why did you buy it in the first place? There were two full tracks available to listen to on their myspace page.
That's something I'll never understand. Guys, the ratings, reviews and samples aren't simply there for you to look at and discuss ... you might actually use them as a shopping guide.
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Mike I`m addicted to prog I try and buy anything that is hyped just to get an idea of where things are at , but if its not my cup of tea and I give it three plays to decide ... I sell it .. but I seriously may decide to give Opeth another play due to the fact that you (who I respect btw ) seem to believe in it. Who knows four plays may reveal the hidden treasure but normally three plays is enough to know if its my thing.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:44 |
JayDee wrote:
Incidentally, there also has been a lot of oppositions with the genre, that chokes us Tech Extreme metal believers. Classic progressive rock had it's day. We are not in the 1970s anymore.
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GentleGiant wrote:
There are metal bands with progressive elements not
progressive bands with metal elements.These feed their roots from
heavy metal not from classic progressive rock
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^But not this Tech/Extreme prog metal is leading the way IMO, and I'm actually starting to like it more as a genre than Prog metal. If I want to hear music now, it's music that makes me think "yeah, this sounds like it was written today", I don't want to left thinking something from 2008 just sounds retro. The 1970s prog was superb and new at the time, and I still love it, but for today, I want to hear today's music and artists pushing into the futures and doing things I've not heard before.
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Mellotron Storm
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 12:38 |
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The only thing i get tired of is people bashing genres of music.If you don't like it,so be it. We get people dumping on neo, or metal, or whatever they don't like, all the time.Why? Whats the point? A lot of people do take the criticism personally because for a lot of people their music is a part of them,it's who they are. And so guys come on and say Spock's Beard sucks for example, and have in the mean time insulted many people. Some of us are thicker skinned, or could care less what some loud mouth says about our music, but what's the point.
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tszirmay
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 13:07 |
sinkadotentree wrote:
The only thing i get tired of is people bashing genres of music.If you don't like it,so be it. We get people dumping on neo, or metal, or whatever they don't like, all the time.Why? Whats the point? A lot of people do take the criticism personally because for a lot of people their music is a part of them,it's who they are. And so guys come on and say Spock's Beard sucks for example, and have in the mean time insulted many people. Some of us are thicker skinned, or could care less what some loud mouth says about our music, but what's the point. |
Like you once so brilliantly stated, prog is like a buffet, you get to sample and taste a multitude of different textures and aromas, some right down your alley, some at the other extreme. What seems distasteful is left behind, so why make a big deal? The constant pigeon-holing and labeling is what criticized prog into submission (veering into more commercial zones) back in the glory days. So why do it now, again? I have no great interest in tech/metal prog, just like I don’t enjoy snails, cumin or lamb. Its not that it’s bad, I just simply can’t savor it and I don’t even ask myself how come. Why would a vegetarian food critic review a steakhouse, its nonsensical?  Its so much more positive to stick to what you enjoy than deliberately blast what you don’t like , we can do that with subjects outside the prog realm (politics, current music scene, film etc..) but this is a Prog site , let us all worship all of its fruits , at least WE can crow about diversity!
Edited by tszirmay - June 21 2008 at 13:08
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The Pessimist
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 13:47 |
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No not really. I love extreme prog metal. It's prog, so it belongs here.
But on the other hand, it seems that the majority of the modern prog scene is taken up purely by metal or metal influenced music. It would be nice for some more symphonic and lighter bands to appear, e.g. Mostly Autumn (who are one of my favourites at the moment)
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"Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value."
Arnold Schoenberg
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Walker
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 14:42 |
tszirmay wrote:
sinkadotentree wrote:
The only thing i get tired of is people bashing genres of music.If you don't like it,so be it. We get people dumping on neo, or metal, or whatever they don't like, all the time.Why? Whats the point? A lot of people do take the criticism personally because for a lot of people their music is a part of them,it's who they are. And so guys come on and say Spock's Beard sucks for example, and have in the mean time insulted many people. Some of us are thicker skinned, or could care less what some loud mouth says about our music, but what's the point. |
Like you once so brilliantly stated, prog is like a buffet, you get to sample and taste a multitude of different textures and aromas, some right down your alley, some at the other extreme. What seems distasteful is left behind, so why make a big deal? The constant pigeon-holing and labeling is what criticized prog into submission (veering into more commercial zones) back in the glory days. So why do it now, again? I have no great interest in tech/metal prog, just like I don’t enjoy snails, cumin or lamb. Its not that it’s bad, I just simply can’t savor it and I don’t even ask myself how come. Why would a vegetarian food critic review a steakhouse, its nonsensical? Its so much more positive to stick to what you enjoy than deliberately blast what you don’t like , we can do that with subjects outside the prog realm (politics, current music scene, film etc..) but this is a Prog site , let us all worship all of its fruits , at least WE can crow about diversity! |
Very well said Tszirmay!  ,
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magnus
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 15:16 |
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I think the group of people who bash tech/extreme metal are people who a) have tender ears or b) base their opinion of the genre on a very small sample of music from said genre. In both cases, the reasoning includes a lot of ignorance on the listener's side.
There's a saying that goes: "know your enemy(in this case, a genre of music)".
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The scattered jigsaw of my redemption laid out before my eyes
Each piece as amorphous as the other - Each piece in its lack of shape a lie
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Visitor13
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 15:25 |
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No, just thought that one thread for Watershed would have been enough.
Edited by Visitor13 - June 21 2008 at 15:37
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limeyrob
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 15:49 |
The more the merrier. You don't have to listen but I'd rather have music types drawn to my attention than wander in ignorance.
Right now I'm into FFGM which I discovered via this site.
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Hawkwise
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:17 |
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Bit like going to supermarket going to the Produce Dept looking for bananas and finding Chainsaws
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Dean
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:30 |
Hawkwise wrote:
Bit like going to supermarket going to the Produce Dept looking for bananas and finding Chainsaws |
That's a dreadful analogy 
... going to the Produce Dept looking for bananas and finding tomatoes would be more accurate.
(both are the fruits of herbs, but one is treated as a desert-fruit while the other as a vegetable)
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:31 |
Hawkwise wrote:
Bit like going to supermarket going to the Produce Dept looking for bananas and finding Chainsaws
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^Given that once you armed with a chainsaw, you could probably hold up a whole supermarket and walk out with more bananas than you intended, so I fail to see the problem of finding chainsaws. To summarize, that analogy is absolute grandiose failure 
laplace wrote:
no, I think the extreme metal bands tend to be doing
something valid for the site, or at least the new part of the site - I
know this sort of music rarely/barely shares traits with anything
relevant from 1969-1977 but you can still call their music a
progressive development.
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And that's a reason why I dig tech/extreme prog so much, is that it doesn't have to go back to retro bands for influences. And when it does, it can come out sounding fresh anyway.
Edited by HughesJB4 - June 21 2008 at 16:35
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DJPuffyLemon
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:50 |
I am tired! of people complaining about music (and metal in particular) not being progressive. Guys, shut up and enjoy the music!
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el böthy
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 18:18 |
Didn´t know Dream Theater was Tch/Extreme... 
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