GentleGiant wrote: This Tech/Extreme (Prog ?) it's NOT progressive rock ,go away to the metal sites

They don't want it there ... they say it's too progressive.

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I would've pointed my finger squarely at the crossover and progmetal sections; these are breeding grounds for instantly predictable music, at least from what's represented among 2008 releases...[/QUOTE]

Edited by darqDean - June 21 2008 at 07:05

^ of course

There are metal bands with progressive elements not progressive bands with metal elements.These feed their  roots from heavy metal not from classic progressive rock

GentleGiant wrote: There are metal bands with progressive elements not progressive bands with metal elements.These feed their  roots from heavy metal not from classic progressive rock

agreed, but how does that not make those bands progressive metal?  In fact, it seems to me you'd have to come from metal to progress it rather than trying to force classic prog and heavy metal together

Yorkie X wrote: OPeth this Opeth that its not progressive this, it is progressive that ....   I'm getting a little tired of  Tech / Extreme  prog <span style="font-size: 9px;"></span> bands being featured on this site in such a constant   way,  day after day it seems like always the same thing  ... how about you ?    <<< Yorkie X weaves and ducks rotten tomatoes and heads out the back door before the angry mob nails him to their upside down crucifix and sets fire to him.

No... I'm not tired at all.

I love music. Not only prog... But speaking about prog, I'm into a lot of different prog styles, including Tech Metal. Sorry, but I don't think that Atheist or Opeth are less progressive than Marillion or Camel. They are totally different, but the attempt of creating challenging music, beyond the simple verse/chorus is there... If you are not agree, please read the Guides to Prog Rock again.

I will write reviews about Camel, Yes, King Crimson, Van der Graaf Generator, Pink Floyd... I love this style of prog. But I also like Mastodon, Opeth, Atheist, Meshuggah, Orphaned Land, Tool, Therion... And I will continue reviewing this bands with great pleasure.

The people who don't like this style of prog, please ignore it... But leave the more open-minded prog lovers give their opinion in peace, please.

And Yorkie... You don't like Tech Metal, you wish Tech Metal is not in ProgArchives... Why are you giving Opeth's "Watershed" a one star rating then? Just only for demonstrate your disagree? I think it's a very coward attitude... If you don't like it, please avoid it (like I do with bands I don't like and I don't listen to...) or write a review giving your opinion, like Certif1ed did.

Best regards!

So ,with other words I say that these bands are the evolution results of metal rock not of progressive rock.This evolution it's not equal (in all cases) with "progressive" ...and a flower grow(evolution) but that don't means that this is a "progressive flower" .Don't mix the milk with the wine 

Edited by GentleGiant - June 21 2008 at 07:34

Atavachron wrote: no sir!  I'm no youngin, been a headbanger since the early 80s and Tech is the most exciting form of it to come along in awhile  ..and Death and Tech have little to do with each other, Opeth may be considered 'Death' by some, but the backbone of Tech is Behold the Arctopus, Spastic Ink, Collapsar, Spiral Architect,  etc...

Yeah, I knew there were a few older prog metal fans here, which is why I said I dont like to generalise. By the same token not all classic prog fans are bearded, balding real ale drinkers, aged 40 and beyond.. Only the coolest ones....

I'm pretty sure though that if you went to an Opeth gig, the average age would be considerably less than at a Yes concert. This is not intended at all as a criticism of the music. Opeth, for example have had their moments for me, among others, notably Heavens Cry and Circus Maximus (not that these fall into the tech/death category, of course, but prog metal)

Metal in any shape or form is far from my first choice of music these days, but prog metal in all its various guises has an very obvious place in our archives.

darqDean wrote: [QUOTE=laplace]I would've pointed my finger squarely at the crossover and progmetal sections; these are breeding grounds for instantly predictable music, at least from what's represented among 2008 releases...[/QUOTE] ...which are? ...Radiohead's greatest hits, Abbandono Del Tempo E Delle Forme by J'Accuse..!, Tightly Unwound by Pinapple Thief, Selective Memory by Tempano (an excellent band from Venezuela) and Mike Oldfield's Music Of The Spheres (which is crossover-classical album not crossover-prog) and albums by Soniq Theater, Jeremy and Versus X. ...none of which have been exactly 'choking-up' the site recently as far as I recall.

hmm, perhaps I didn't mean crossover prog. I have no idea where Porcupine Tree et al are stored anymore :(

Just for the record: Porcupine Tree are in Heavy Prog. Personally, I am far from being a fan of theirs, and can't really see how they are so progressive - but that's just my opinion, and I would never say they should be ejected from PA.  Anyway, I wonder why lately one out of every two threads becomes an excuse to put down something we don't like....

As for the issue at hand, though I am certainly no connoisseur of Tech-Extreme Metal, what I have heard of the subgenre has kindled my interest - especially the instrumental bands like Canvas Solaris (whose Penumbra Diffuse I play quite often). Being a very open-minded person, I don't understand the hostility towards anything connected with metal, nor do I get why there has to be such a rigid dichotomy between 'prog' and 'metal'. In the world of the arts, such things do not exist, unless it is in the minds of critics and such.

Finally, I'd like to give you some food for thought... Are we so sure that, in the early Seventies, some of the more extreme subgenres of 'classic' prog (like Krautrock or RIO) were not seen by people in the same hostile way as prog-metal is seen nowadays? After all, many of those bands had harsh, even downright unpleasant vocals, dissonance, and what not... Or does the hostility rather stem from many prog fans' innate contempt for anything metal, which they see as the prerogative of subhumans?