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Points: 54 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 20:33
Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I'm very flattered that they want to spend their time discussing my review - it clearly had an impact, and I'm delighted that my other reviews also stirred up such emotional responses. Pity none of them were intelligent responses - but there you go.


You are, indeed, the only intelligent being in existence. You're the progressive rock of humanity. I just looked on Wikipedia and under 'Certif1ed' it says: "a mostly British attempt to elevate humanity to new levels of artistic credibility".

I'm worshipping you right now. Tongue

Don't humor him with smiley faces and positive sarcasm -- you're only feeding the troll.

People like him are the most disgusting thing on forums above all the people who make inane comments.  I can't stand him in the least.


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Originally posted by agProgger agProgger wrote:

Originally posted by russellk russellk wrote:

Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

I'm very flattered that they want to spend their time discussing my review - it clearly had an impact, and I'm delighted that my other reviews also stirred up such emotional responses. Pity none of them were intelligent responses - but there you go.


You are, indeed, the only intelligent being in existence. You're the progressive rock of humanity. I just looked on Wikipedia and under 'Certif1ed' it says: "a mostly British attempt to elevate humanity to new levels of artistic credibility".

I'm worshipping you right now. Tongue

Don't humor him with smiley faces and positive sarcasm -- you're only feeding the troll.

People like him are the most disgusting thing on forums above all the people who make inane comments.  I can't stand him in the least.


We have to lighten up a bit, I think. He confesses to a twisted sense of humour, and he has honestly and consistently argued for a position. I don't agree with it, but his review is consistent with his broad position on progressive rock. Further, he employs an excellent range of musical knowledge, even if he bludgeons rather than finesses with it.

He's annoyed a lot of people, but has stimulated some thoughtful discussion with regards the fuzzy boundaries of progressive rock. I could wish it had been a little more polite, but it's the message, surely, that is the important thing?
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It's a first to see Certif1ed being accused of being a troll..LOL
 
Well... we all know logic and wisdom are rare.... imagine both of them together!
 
Again, I love new members who have less than 50 posts and start throwing the "troll" accusation to everybody LOL
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Damn!!... Good thing I gave the album at least 2 stars! LOL


Lol ... from the track ratings I calculate an average of 7.0 (3.5 stars), yet you've given it 2 stars.ErmmWink
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Wink
 
However, I must admit I find the swearing and threats of violence at the link above deeply disturbing - particularly from Mr Akerfeld, who is a high-profile rock musician - and so I have done some more thinking:
 
I think that to have provoked such an angry and threatening response, I must have really upset those guys.
 
 
This is not and has never been my intention - I think off the cuff, and say the first thing that comes into my mind, as that is how I like to work. Since I am not given to swearing or direct insults, but instead, temper everything I say with a twisted sense of humour, I usually feel fairly safe that I will not upset anyone - at least, not to the point at which they feel like threatening me with physical violence.
 
 
I therefore apologise unreservedly to Mr Akerfeld, his band and their fans if they felt in any way insulted by my review - which has provoked a multi-page thread on the forum linked to above.
 
 
I am not doing this under duress - or, indeed, the slightest suggestion from anyone from the band or this site:
 
Reviewing and debating Prog Rock is fun for me - but hurting people is not.
 
 


Do you really think that because you're not using any nasty words one will be upset? Not that you're not allowed to, but of course you're hurting people. Swearing or not only has to do with people's different temper and culture. Some include a sh*t , f**k and a t**t in just about every sentence. What review would naturally upset the artist the most?

5%20starsA f**king masterpiece! (dumb fanboy)

1%20starsNickelback and Spinal Tap (twisted sense of humour)
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when everyone knows I'm the real troll around here

also hey guys, it seems they've linked later on in the thread to a bunch of people ready and up in arms over this
link HERE


also, I was browsing that forum and earlier on he made this post

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Glad most of you like it!
To be honest I can't remember ever having gotten such great response to a new record....

As for the people not liking it, fine, I understand. It's not for everyone I guess. But don't ask us to "go back"...that will never happen I'm afraid.

Remember that even your favourite records are hated by others, and vice versa. There are no "facts" about the greatness of a record. It's purely individual. I mean, I love "The elder" by Kiss. Go and see what the general opinion on that record is....who's right? No one is....

As for me? I think Watershed is great! One of our best, maybe the best! But you all knew I'd say that....
And it IS one of the darkest and heaviest records we've ever done. To me it is...

Either way people, thanks for your support and even, thanks for your concern.

Mikey




its odd he'd go from that to insulting after one review


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Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:



Do you really think that because you're not using any nasty words one will be upset? Not that you're not allowed to, but of course you're hurting people. Swearing or not only has to do with people's different temper and culture. Some include a sh*t , f**k and a t**t in just about every sentence. What review would naturally upset the artist the most?

5%20starsA f**king masterpiece! (dumb fanboy)

1%20starsNickelback and Spinal Tap (twisted sense of humour)
 
I still fail to see anything insulting or even rude about the twisted sense of humour there - please explain.
 
 
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Points: 10094 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2008 at 13:28
probably because many  music listeners consider Nickelback and Spinal Tap to be not quality music
the latter at least tried to be stupid


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The vocals sound like Nickelback's vocalist to me.
 
I like Nickelback.
 
 
How much clearer can I make it.
 
 
Oh well.
 
 
I'm sure it's not Mikael, after all, he has not only a reputation, but a legal position to consider.
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Points: 7559 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2008 at 13:46
Originally posted by agProgger agProgger wrote:


Don't humor him with smiley faces and positive sarcasm -- you're only feeding the troll.

People like him are the most disgusting thing on forums above all the people who make inane comments.  I can't stand him in the least.
 
Do you really think you should have posted that?
 
I may be disgusting to you, but I can read, and I have a twisted sense of humour - I might have said.
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Points: 10094 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2008 at 13:51
if the previous poster (the one Certif1ed quoted) had known any better they'd know actual trolls aren't really tolerated on PA, in fact, PA is a bubble compared to most other forums....its nice that way







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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 18 2008 at 14:19
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Damn!!... Good thing I gave the album at least 2 stars! LOL


Lol ... from the track ratings I calculate an average of 7.0 (3.5 stars), yet you've given it 2 stars.ErmmWink
 
LOL  As Proven by my now-legendary Tongue Kayo Dot review of 2007, my ratings are not an avergae of tracks, but rather a measure of the whole experience. If a record starts fine (as this one or -to a degree- even Kayo Dot's DAWCT did) but utterly destroys everything at the end, the rating suffers. Opeth started with a sure 4... but after the fourth track the experience got so boring that the enjoyment of the cd as a WHOLE died completely... It's like a movie: if it starts wondefully but halfway down it becomes a borefest, is it still a good movie? That's why I -sometimes, I'm lazy these days- give individual ratings for songs.. so that I can still say good things about good tracks.. but the rating is for the whole experience. And Watershed is a long, tedious repetitive borefest after we reach the half of the record.
 
 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

It's a first to see Certif1ed being accused of being a troll..LOL
 
 
Actually... you might be surprised... or not.
 
The accusation is not unfounded - there are many types of troll, some incredibly devious, some incredibly stupid, some downright nasty, and some intelligent - there is really an intelligent and beneficial way to troll.
 
As I've been lurking around the Internet since 1995 or so, I do not see the word as an insult, as there are so many types of troll - the word has only become an insult to those who do not know its history, as over-use in one sense has robbed it of the rich connotations it used to have.
 
I tried Googling this, and nothing turns up easily - I'll have a longer search when I get a bit more time.
 
Internet trolling ain't what it used ter be - that's fer sure.
 
 
Last word on my review - if it's rude or insulting, how come no-one has reported it?
 
If you think it is, then PLEASE report it in the proper thread, highlighting the specific parts that fit this description, and I promise I will take it seriously.
 
Troll (according to my definition) I may be sometimes - but I rarely bite.
 
...OK, maybe just a little twisted humour... but you all know me by now Evil%20Smile
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^ I wouldn't call it insulting or offensive ... it's just cruel and unfair from the perspective of people who like Opeth. Still, since it is based on your opinion it is a valid review.

But you shouldn't be surprised when in future discussions people say "don't listen to what Certif1ed said, he also thinks that Opeth - Coil sounds like Nickelback".Wink
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Nickelback fans are insulted that Opeth fans are insulted by the comparison!
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^ Let's post a link to the review in a Nickelback forum and see what they say!Wink
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^Don't leave out the Spinal Tap fans - I aspire to be as great a guitarist as Nigel Tufnel (I even state this on my MySpace site in my pics area) Wink
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Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:


 
 
I still fail to see anything insulting or even rude about the twisted sense of humour there - please explain.
 
 


I don't need to explain, because I didn't  write that.

I'm just surprised that someone like yourself is suddenly going all naive and innocent. Are you really deeply disturbed by other people swearing, and do you really think that no one will be upset by your opinons if you use humour and don't swear?

I never swear either (and have a twisted sense of humour that atleast some notice), but still Debrewguy, The T etc takes offence every time I write something here.


Edited by Rocktopus - June 20 2008 at 05:41
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