Judas Priest (Prog Metal)

Not that I know much about Judas Priest, but their reputation at large is not connected to prog.

And if you thought Iron Maiden was contentious....

Well, I could see Priest here, but I still think Metallica should be here a lot sooner than Priest. As you said, their first 3 albums qualify them, and I would say that Painkiller is prog-related with its mixture of pure thrash, NWOBHM, and symphonic elements on tracks like "Touch of Evil" and "One Shot at Glory".

micky wrote: or Metallica.....   that said...  Judas Priest  does belong here.. the place.. .TBD...

TBD???? Trash Bin Department?
I don't think they fit in the prog metal category. Just like others mentioned: Prog Related.

Make no mistake, I  LOVE Priest, but I think adding them to PM would be quite a stretch, and that would mean moving Iron Maiden as well (sorry, Mike, I know you don't agree, and I don't want to reopen the controversy). Moreover, as others said before me, Metallica should be added way before them, especially because of the influence they had on the likes of Dream Theater.

However, if I have to be perfectly honest, I don't think it's a good idea to add either band. If I could go back in time, I would never add Iron Maiden again, because the backlash was really excessive, and rather unpleasant as well. Let's face it, there is enough hostility about Prog-Metal as it is to force bands like Priest or Metallica down the throats of he more conservative members of the site.

Ghost Rider wrote: Make no mistake, I  LOVE Priest, but I think adding them to PM would be quite a stretch, and that would mean moving Iron Maiden as well (sorry, Mike, I know you don't agree, and I don't want to reopen the controversy). Moreover, as others said before me, Metallica should be added way before them, especially because of the influence they had on the likes of Dream Theater. However, if I have to be perfectly honest, I don't think it's a good idea to add either band. If I could go back in time, I would never add Iron Maiden again, because the backlash was really excessive, and rather unpleasant as well. Let's face it, there is enough hostility about Prog-Metal as it is to force bands like Priest or Metallica down the throats of he more conservative members of the site.

But I think Maiden belongs here. I mean, Powerslave and Somewhere in Time had their inclinations, but Seventh Son and especially the post-reunion albums have been fully prog. In fact I don't know why they're in related when Blind Guardian, who have 1.5-2 full prog albums are under full PM. Priest certainly qualifies for related, though I agree adding them would almost be more trouble than it's worth. But I still say that Maiden and Metallica could go under full PM. Priest has about 3.5 albums of really proggy stuff, but a lot more standard metal fare, so I would shove them into PR just to avoid a bigger backlash.

rushfan4 wrote: Probably no surprise to any one, but I have no objection to Metallica or Iron Maiden either for the same reasons as I would like Judas Priest here.  Of course, I have no idea what the specifics are that distinguish a metal band from a prog metal band. I sympathize with your opinion about Judas Priest - but as you said yourself in your comment about Rocka Rolla: They were most progressive in their early years when they weren't a metal band. By the time the NWoBHM started they were much less progressive. So the specific reason why they don't fit in PM is that during their metal phase they were simply not progressive enough. I am sure that there are certain elements that the collabs are looking for that are beyond my realm of knowledge.  If the Prog Metal team rejects them, then my next step would be to ask the admins to include them in PR.  If they vote against including them then so be it.  I love Judas Priest and I would love to be able to review their albums on PA.  In case anyone is interested I have done some mini-reviews on Mike's website. Your mini reviews are all available through the link I posted above ... together with a progressiveness chart of their discography.   And although I perceive progressiveness in some to most of their albums, I accept that they are a heavy metal band after Sin After Sin and not a progressive band.  But I feel that at least an argument can be made that their first two and possibly three albums (and as mentioned later some of Painkiller) are progressive.  Site guidelines say that if a band has 1 prog album then they should be included.  I know that this guideline upsets some members, but that is not my rule, that is the site owners' rule. Still, it remains to be seen how progressive their early albums really are ... in my opinion they're prog related, in your opinion they're prog, and from the many discussion about them I recall some people share my opinion, some share yours. Let's see!   And since this is the song currently playing, as much as I would like to see the Priest here, I suspect that Some Heads Are Gonna Roll, or at least there will be plenty of eye rolls at this suggestion.

cuncuna wrote: If this happens (and it will), David Bowie will... no, he'll probably just stay right where he is, swimming on lots of money...

that isn't exactly constructive ..and has been the problem with trying to discuss bands like this.  Those kind of statements.

First off.. for reasons already stated...  Judas Priest has a slight chance of being here and has nothing to do whatsoever with Bowie.

^ my point exactly.... I'd suggest listening to the damn albums.. and if you still think they sound like AC/DC or Def Leppard... well....  hahahhahah.. .

Mike, You said "They were most progressive in their early years when they weren't a metal band." 

 

Does that comment suggest that they should be in a non-Metal prog rock category?  As in the first couple of albums might be prog rock instead of prog metal.

I've always thought of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest as the metal blueprint. It's interesting to hear someone say that they're progressive because it makes me wonder what metal *wouldn't* be progressive when so many subsequent bands are based on their style... o:)