Overlooked songs....

Ghost Rider wrote: The T wrote: Speaking of The Dream, that's a band full of overlooked songs:   "Light fuse and get away" in WDADU "learning to Live" in I&W "Scarred" in AW "Lines in the sand", the best song in FII (no song in SFAM, usually this album is seen as a whole) (no song in 6DOIT, the title-track is not overlooked, and the rest... not so good. "in the name of God" in TOT "The root of all evil" in 8, much better than "octavarium" which for me is just good. (no song in SC as the album is relatively new)   Every one of my favorite bands has a lot of "overlooked" songs... actually, more often than not my favorites are not the usual suspects...   "Learning to Live" is probably my favourite DT song of all those I've heard so far, and I think I pointed that out in my I&W review.

I believe Learning to Live is often held up as one of the two masterpieces on the I&W album, along with Metropolis. If anything, its Take the Time thats overlooked.

overlooked songs.... easy.... ELP - Toccata...  the drumming alone should put this on any prog drummers to learn to play  list.. .but the hero worship of Peart continues when he did  nothing .. nothing that compares to what Palmer did on this one.  Professor?  my ass...  he took lessons from the Dean of prog drummers  Who was showing prog what prog drummers could be when Peart was.. god knows where..

MusicalSalmacis wrote: The T wrote: As there are overlooked bands, there are also songs that commited to crime of having been recorded in albums where there are other bigger, more famous masterpieces. The most recent example I could find (recent as in I just re-heard it, the song is old) is "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" in GENESIS' Foxtrot. The song is a masterpiece of masterpieces, having everything I could ask for of a song in just 5 minutes, almost in the level of "Firth of Fifth", yet it's always forgotten next to the monster epic "Supper's Ready". Nobody ever mentions that song, and it's as big a masterpiece as it's 4-times longer neighbor.   Any other example you'd like to mention?   Wow, that's the first song that spring to mind when I saw the topic. Well done, our minds are one! Hehe. I always thought that Harold the Barrell Nursery Cryme was a bit overlooked. It's such an eventful and lovely short song!

Absolutely. Superb, and actually surprisingly deep song (Harold The Barrel).

Edit: I think the entire Islands album is really somewhat overlooked (Why is it below 4?!). Cirkus is overlooked as a Crimson song, but not in the context of its album. Lizard should get a lot more love as an epic, in my opinion, but the ending (at the moment) stops it from competing with the best for me.


Edited by TGM: Orb - March 08 2008 at 19:52

micky wrote: overlooked songs.... easy.... ELP - Toccata...  the drumming alone should put this on any prog drummers to learn to play  list.. .but the hero worship of Peart continues when he did  nothing .. nothing that compares to what Palmer did on this one.  Professor?  my ass...  he took lessons from the Dean of prog drummers  Who was showing prog what prog drummers could be when Peart was.. god knows where..

I'd rather not say in public what you deserve for that remark...

Seriously, you'll be happy to know that Palmer was a big influence on Peart, together with another idol of yours, the late, great Keith Moon. And I do agree on "Toccata"... I remember that I wasn't too impressed by it at first, but then grew to appreciate it more and more as the masterpiece it is.

Ghost Rider wrote: micky wrote: overlooked songs.... easy.... ELP - Toccata...  the drumming alone should put this on any prog drummers to learn to play  list.. .but the hero worship of Peart continues when he did  nothing .. nothing that compares to what Palmer did on this one.  Professor?  my ass...  he took lessons from the Dean of prog drummers  Who was showing prog what prog drummers could be when Peart was.. god knows where.. I'd rather not say in public what you deserve for that remark... Seriously, you'll be happy to know that Palmer was a big influence on Peart, together with another idol of yours, the late, great Keith Moon. And I do agree on "Toccata"... I remember that I wasn't too impressed by it at first, but then grew to appreciate it more and more as the masterpiece it is.

Peart, Shmeart anyway . Who needs him when there are drummers like Neumeier, Vander or (sadly no more) Moerlen? And Neumeier was around long before Palmer already (albeit as a jazz drummer only, with the Irene Schweizer Trio). Definitely the most influential drummers for me. What I love about them is that you never know what they will come up with next; they play on the spur of the moment. That is, however, definitely not the style of Peart; just think of his elaborate drum solos. Some may like this predictability; I find it a boring trait in a drummer .
Mark that I don't question the technical abilities of Peart, though he is by no means the überdrummer as some depict him; being a drummer myself I can assure you that there are many drummers with equal technical abilities as his; just check out the drummers I named, and I could add a long list of others to that.. I merely question his approach to drumming. But that's my personal taste.
Ok, that was the usual Friede rant whenever drumming is mentioned, especially with the name "Peart" ; now back to the topic. A song which I like a lot but is totally overlooked is "For Absent Friends" on "Nursery Cryme". A nice little song with thoughtful lyrics and beautiful vocal harmonies.,

OOOH! LinusW, that APP barb will either be looked over or cause a spark. [ I agree it's great, but it's not necessarily overlooked because it's not everybody's 'cup of tea']. ' Life's a Long Song' and so is APP.

One that comes to mind, at least again in the popularity stakes, is 'Working All Day' from THREE FRIENDS. It's a personal favourite of mine . It both rocks and is subtle in some aspects of it's simplicity. What other bands can use saxes so effectively to create and build a riff. Just love how the baritone/tenor adds to the bottom end. You also have one of KMs best organ solos which he builds to a powerful conclusion.

And in the days of spinning LPs in paticular, how many of your mates asked if your player was OK on the first listen of that intro.[ only a small factor in the whole scheme of things, I know].

More recently I think Sentimental fromm PTs "Fear of a Blank Planet" gets pushed aside by Anethetize.  Both great songs but Sentimental, IMO, is the most emotional song on the album.

"Pilgrims" and "Wondering" by VDGG

Miranda... - The Mars Volta

As for drummer talk, I think that John Theodore is the greatest rock drummer ever. I may have offended people by saying this, but theoretically shouldn't he be better as he's had access to way more inspiration than guys like Peart and Carl? It's hard to explain, but a way to put it is this: society keeps on improving, which is why we get better medicine and technology now. I think the same goes for musicians: they learn from previous styles, combine them, and optimise them to make a better drumming style. Which is why I think that Theodore is THE BEST DRUMMER EVER.